2013 Public Bid Results

[Scooter]

MOF Kamloops and MOF Clearwater results are out now:


MOF Kamloops
Spring contract, PL14DTR001

Dewan - $332,348
Evergreen - $361,621
A&G - $426,586
Folklore - $429,017
Zanzibar - $454,183
Seneca - $517,340


MOF Clearwater
Spring contract, PL14DTR002

Zanzibar - $182,807
Evergreen - $196,387
A&G - $220,159
Seneca - $283,853
Celtic - $345,388

[Nate]

MOF Kamloops and MOF Clearwater results are out now:


MOF Kamloops
Spring contract, PL14DTR001

Dewan - $332,348

Lol!

[Jimbo the Mook]

I'm taking it that these bid results are being pulled off of the bcbid website. If I'm correct about that, could somebody tell me how I can find that info for myself. I've been painstakingly trying to bring up the results of some spacing contracts that were recently awarded around Williams Lake, but can't seem to find them anywhere. Do I need to login as a prospective bidder in order to view that info? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thx.

[Scooter]

BCTS contracts are of two types: Open and Select. Open contracts mean that the contracts are posted for the public on bcbid.com and anyone who meets the stipulated qualifications can bid. Those results are then opened at a "public opening" at the local BCTS office. The public is allowed to go in and watch. I've only been to three in my life. At the first, myself and my boss were the only two people other than the BCTS staff. At one opening last year in Kamloops, one of the other contractors was also there.

Select contracts are advertised on BC Bid also, but in a different way. They are advertised along the lines of "any company who is interested in being invited to bid on contracts in XXX district during the fall of 2012 should submit expressions of interest to our office by such-and-such date. Your submission should include the following items: XXX." They'll then list a few or a lot of things that a company needs to put on their resume. They may even state in advance restrictions such as "only open to companies who have completed three contracts in the past two calendar years for BC Timber Sales which were a minimum of 1.0 million seedlings apiece" or "only open to companies who have never defaulted on a contract for BC Timber Sales in the past five years." There are also a lot of other obvious requirements: companies need to be able to prove that they carry certain minimum insurance coverage, they need to prove that they're "SAFE Certified," etc.

Anyway, a company will submit their interest and if they "make the list," then the BCTS district in question might give info about the contract only to the companies that made the list. There are all kinds of reasons for this. Perhaps the district office doesn't want to deal with small companies that can't handle a big contract, so they ensure that only the five or six biggest companies are on the Select List.

Anyway, the public opening records do get posted on the BCTS site. Not always right away, though. Some districts will post them almost immediately, like within hours. Others wait until a contract is signed with the winning contractor, although this is rare.

Select bids are not posted on the BCTS site, at least, I don't think they usually are.

Eventually, most of the contract results seem to get posted here. When I myself post results, I get some directly from the BCTS site myself, some from our own office, and the rest get emailed to me by other company owners who don't want to post results under their own names.

To find results, don't look on the BC Bid site. Do this:

1. Go to: https://www.for.gov.bc.ca/bcts/
2. Where it says, "Business Area" on the green menu line, click on one. For example, "Strait Of Georgia."
3. On the left side, click on "Contract Opportunities" (NOT timber sale results, unless you're actually looking for timber sale results)
4. In the white on the bottom, click on "Tender Opening Records."

You'll now end up on an FTP directory screen on the BCTS server, in the public FTP area. At the moment, the Strait Of Georgia section looks like this:

www.for.gov.bc.ca - /ftp/tsg/external/!publish/Contract_Tender/

[To Parent Directory]

Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:46 AM 2770 Read Me First.txt
Monday, March 15, 2010 1:12 PM <dir> ResultsApril2009toMarch2010
Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:05 PM <dir> ResultsApril2010toMarch2011
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:50 PM <dir> ResultsApril2011toMarch2012
Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:40 PM <dir> ResultsApril2012toMarch2013

If I were to click on the "ResultsApril2011toMarch2012" link on the right, I'd then (at the moment) see the following:

www.for.gov.bc.ca - /ftp/tsg/external/!publish/Contract_Tender/ResultsApril2011toMarch2012/

[To Parent Directory]

Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:51 PM 23384 BR12TCC023, Brushing, Powell River, June 7, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:57 PM 27861 BR12TCD042 Brushing & Weeding, Port Alberni, December 7, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:38 PM 22986 EN12TCB001 Rd & Bridge Const, Campbell River, June 22, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:46 PM 28436 EN12TCB008 Rebuild Breakwater Naka LD, Campbell River, July 20, 2011.pdf
Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:13 AM 56352 EN12TCB021 Driving, Mech Svc, Bridge Mtnce, Campbell River, May 4, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:20 PM 24215 EN12TCF009, Terrain Stability Specialist, Strait of Georgia BA, March 1, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:52 PM 23690 EN12TCF047, Fish Passage Assessments - Harrison, Campbell River Timber Sales Office, September 20, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:53 PM 23590 EN12TCF048, Fish Passage Assessments - Lower Fraser, Campbell River Timber Sales Office, September 20, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:54 PM 23692 EN12TCF049, Fish Passage Assessments - Lillooet, Campbell River Timber Sales Office, September 20, 2011.pdf
Monday, October 31, 2011 9:52 AM 23408 EN12TCF055, Fish Passage Assessments - Chilliwack, Campbell River Timber Sales Office, October 27, 2011.pdf
Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:41 AM 24693 EN12TCG010, Road Construction & Portable Bridge Installation, Campbell River, June 23, 2011.pdf
Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:38 AM 24498 EN12TCG011, Road Construction & Bridge Installation, Campbell River, September 1, 2011.pdf
Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:02 PM 29496 EN12TCG013 Install Bridges, Campbell River, June 30, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:54 PM 23230 FE12TCF046, Fertilization Application, Strait of Georgia BA, September 28, 2011.pdf
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:59 PM 23515 FH12TCC050 Plantskydd Treatment, Sunshine Coast areas, Powell River, October 13, 2011.pdf
Monday, May 16, 2011 12:54 PM 23416 IM12TCB002, FS Road Inspections, Campbell River, May 16, 2011.pdf
Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:35 PM 46122 IM12TCD018, EMS Conformance Monitoring, Port Alberni, April 21, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:54 PM 23320 IM12TCF017, EMS Conformance Monitoring, Campbell_Powell River, April 26, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:14 PM 23600 IM12TCF045 Fertilization Application Implementation, Strait of Georgia BA, November 1, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:56 PM 24799 IM12TCG062, Planting Contract Implementation, Campbell River, February 15, 2012.pdf
Friday, March 30, 2012 7:51 AM 23642 PD13TCF002 Biologist Services, Strait of Georgia_Seaward, March 29, 2012.pdf
Friday, March 30, 2012 7:56 AM 23375 PD13TCF003 Archaeologist Services, Strait of Georgia, March 29, 2012.pdf
Friday, March 30, 2012 7:56 AM 23239 PD13TCF004 Hydrologist Services, Strait of Georgia, March 29, 2012.pdf
Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:44 PM 27906 PL12TCC034, Planting, Powell River, June 6, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:54 PM 23543 PL12TCC059, Planting_Cone Maintenance, Powell River, January 10, 2012.pdf
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 1:35 PM 27639 PL12TCD043 Tree Planting, Port Alberni, September 7, 2011.pdf
Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:08 PM 27752 PL12TCD060, Planting, Port Alberni, February 16, 2012.pdf
Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:35 AM 24419 PL12TCG019, Tree Planting, Campbell River, August 15, 2011.pdf
Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:56 PM 24895 PL12TCG056 Tree Planting, Campbell River, January 12, 2012.pdf
Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:45 PM 23127 SD12TCB005 TSL Development Eve_Naka_Heber, Campbell River May 25, 2011.pdf
Thursday, April 07, 2011 1:00 PM 47582 SD12TCC003, Multiphase Engineering_TSL Development, Powell River, April 7, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:45 PM 23279 SD12TCC004, Multiphase Engineering_TSL Development, Powell River, April 19, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:57 PM 38443 SD12TCD014, Multiphase TSL Development, Port Alberni, June 1, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:09 PM 44141 SD12TCD015, Multiphase TSL Development, Port Alberni, June 8, 2011.pdf
Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:01 PM 27587 SD12TCD015A, Multiphase TSL Development, Port Alberni, August 30, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:49 PM 23269 SU12TCB020 Regeneration Walkthroughs & Surveys, Campbell River, May 24, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:46 PM 23216 SU12TCC038 Surveys & Planting Admin, Powell River, July 26, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:10 PM 47665 SU12TCD032, FG_Regen Surveys, Port Alberni, August 31, 2011.pdf
Monday, March 26, 2012 1:17 PM 23169 SU13TCC006 Surveys, Powell River, March 26, 2012.pdf

Looking at the entry for PL12TCG043, I can click on the link and see the results of that particular contract. In this example, it was BD Silviculture.

Each contract number starts with a two letter prefix. They include the following types:

PL - planting
EN - engineering
SU - surveys
BR - brushing
IM - implementation (hiring a consulting company to come in and do pay plots on a planting contractor, for example)
SD - ??
PD - Professional Designation?? (I'm not sure, maybe this is sort of like hiring an implementer but one with certain different professional designation?)

The next two digits are the last two digits of the year, ie. in PL12TCG043 the 12 stands for 2012 planting season.

The next three digits are the BCTS Business Area abbreviation. Distinct from the BC Forest Region and District Boundaries. Here's a comprehensive list of each. The Business Area abbreviations you'll recognize in the contract numbers. The Forest Region and District Boundaries abbreviations you'll recognize in the request keys on a lot of box-end stickers.

BC Timber Sales Business Areas
You may recognize some of these abbreviations from being in the middle of request
keys on box-end stickers.
TBA – Babine Timber Sales Office. Covers Burns Lake, Houston, Smithers.
TCC – Cariboo/Chilcotin Timber Sales Office. Covers Williams Lake, Quesnel.
TCH – Chinook Timber Sales Office. Covers Chilliwack, Queen Charlotte City.
TKA – Kamloops Timber Sales Office. Covers Kamloops, 100 Mile House,
Clearwater, Merritt.
TKO – Kootenay Timber Sales Office. Covers Nelson, Castlegar, Cranbrook, Grand Forks.
TOC – Okanagan/Columbia Timber Sales Office. Covers Vernon, Revelstoke.
TPL – Peace/Liard Timber Sales Office. Covers Dawson Creek, Fort Nelson, Fort
St. John.
TPG – Prince George Timber Sales Office. Covers Prince George, Mackenzie.
TST – Seaward/Tlasta Timber Sales Office. Port McNeill, Price Rupert.
TSK – Skeena Timber Sales Office. Covers Terrance, Hazelton.
TSG – Strait of George Timber Sales Office. Covers Campbell River, Port
Alberni, Powell River.
TSN – Stuart/Nechako Timber Sales Office. Covers Vanderhoof, Fort St.
James.

BC Forest Region and District Boundaries
Southern Interior Forest Region (headquartered in Kamloops):
DMH – 100 Mile House Forest District. Covers 100 Mile House.
DAB – Arrow Boundary Forest District. Covers Castlegar, Grand Forks, Nakusp.
DCS – Cascades Forest District. Covers Merritt, Lillooet, Princeton.
DCC – Central Cariboo Forest District. Covers Williams Lake, Horsefly, Likely.
DCH – Chilcotin Forest District. Covers Alexis Creek.
DCO – Columbia Forest District. Covers Revelstoke, Golden.
DHW – Headwaters Forest District. Covers Clearwater, McBride.
DKA – Kamloops Forest District. Covers Kamloops.
DKL – Kootenay Lake Forest District. Covers Nelson.
DOS – Okanagan Shuswap Forest District. Covers Vernon, Penticton, Salmon
Arm.
DQU – Quesnel Forest District. Covers Quesnel.
DRM – Rocky Mountain Forest District. Covers Cranbrook, Invermere.
Northern Interior Forest Region (headquartered in Prince George):
DFN – Fort Nelson Forest District. Covers Fort Nelson.
DJA – Fort St. James Forest District. Covers Fort St. James.
DKM – Kalum Forest District. Covers Terrace.
DMK – Mackenzie Forest District. Covers Mackenzie.
DND – Nadina Forest District. Covers Burns Lake, Houston.
DPC – Peace Forest District. Covers Dawson Creek, Fort St. John.
DPG – Prince George Forest District. Covers Prince George.DSS – Skeena Stikine Forest District. Covers Smithers, Dease Lake, Hazelton.
DVA – Vanderhoof Forest District. Covers Vanderhoof.
Coast Forest Region (headquartered in Nanaimo):
DCR – Campbell River Forest District. Covers Campbell River.
DCK – Chilliwack Forest District. Covers Chilliwack.
DNC – North Coast Forest District. Covers Prince Rupert.
DIC – North Island Central Coast Forest District. Covers Port McNeill,
Hagensborg.
DQC – Queen Charlotte Islands Forest District. Covers Queen Charlotte City.
DSI – South Island Forest District. Covers Port Alberni, Duncan.
DSQ – Squamish Forest District. Covers Squamish.
DSC – Sunshine Coast Forest District. Covers Powell River, Sechelt.

Anyway, that got a bit long-winded. But hopefully you can find the spacing results that you're looking for this way.

[Jimbo the Mook]

BCTS contracts are of two types: Open and Select. Open contracts mean that the contracts are posted for the public on bcbid.com and anyone who meets the stipulated qualifications can bid. Those results are then opened at a "public opening" at the local BCTS office. The public is allowed to go in and watch. I've only been to three in my life. At the first, myself and my boss were the only two people other than the BCTS staff. At one opening last year in Kamloops, one of the other contractors was also there.

Select contracts are advertised on BC Bid also, but in a different way. They are advertised along the lines of "any company who is interested in being invited to bid on contracts in XXX district during the fall of 2012 should submit expressions of interest to our office by such-and-such date. Your submission should include the following items: XXX." They'll then list a few or a lot of things that a company needs to put on their resume. They may even state in advance restrictions such as "only open to companies who have completed three contracts in the past two calendar years for BC Timber Sales which were a minimum of 1.0 million seedlings apiece" or "only open to companies who have never defaulted on a contract for BC Timber Sales in the past five years." There are also a lot of other obvious requirements: companies need to be able to prove that they carry certain minimum insurance coverage, they need to prove that they're "SAFE Certified," etc.

Anyway, a company will submit their interest and if they "make the list," then the BCTS district in question might give info about the contract only to the companies that made the list. There are all kinds of reasons for this. Perhaps the district office doesn't want to deal with small companies that can't handle a big contract, so they ensure that only the five or six biggest companies are on the Select List.

Anyway, the public opening records do get posted on the BCTS site. Not always right away, though. Some districts will post them almost immediately, like within hours. Others wait until a contract is signed with the winning contractor, although this is rare.

Select bids are not posted on the BCTS site, at least, I don't think they usually are.

Eventually, most of the contract results seem to get posted here. When I myself post results, I get some directly from the BCTS site myself, some from our own office, and the rest get emailed to me by other company owners who don't want to post results under their own names.

To find results, don't look on the BC Bid site. Do this:

1. Go to: https://www.for.gov.bc.ca/bcts/
2. Where it says, "Business Area" on the green menu line, click on one. For example, "Strait Of Georgia."
3. On the left side, click on "Contract Opportunities" (NOT timber sale results, unless you're actually looking for timber sale results)
4. In the white on the bottom, click on "Tender Opening Records."

You'll now end up on an FTP directory screen on the BCTS server, in the public FTP area. At the moment, the Strait Of Georgia section looks like this:

www.for.gov.bc.ca - /ftp/tsg/external/!publish/Contract_Tender/

[To Parent Directory]

Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:46 AM 2770 Read Me First.txt
Monday, March 15, 2010 1:12 PM <dir> ResultsApril2009toMarch2010
Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:05 PM <dir> ResultsApril2010toMarch2011
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:50 PM <dir> ResultsApril2011toMarch2012
Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:40 PM <dir> ResultsApril2012toMarch2013

If I were to click on the "ResultsApril2011toMarch2012" link on the right, I'd then (at the moment) see the following:

www.for.gov.bc.ca - /ftp/tsg/external/!publish/Contract_Tender/ResultsApril2011toMarch2012/

[To Parent Directory]

Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:51 PM 23384 BR12TCC023, Brushing, Powell River, June 7, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:57 PM 27861 BR12TCD042 Brushing & Weeding, Port Alberni, December 7, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:38 PM 22986 EN12TCB001 Rd & Bridge Const, Campbell River, June 22, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:46 PM 28436 EN12TCB008 Rebuild Breakwater Naka LD, Campbell River, July 20, 2011.pdf
Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:13 AM 56352 EN12TCB021 Driving, Mech Svc, Bridge Mtnce, Campbell River, May 4, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:20 PM 24215 EN12TCF009, Terrain Stability Specialist, Strait of Georgia BA, March 1, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:52 PM 23690 EN12TCF047, Fish Passage Assessments - Harrison, Campbell River Timber Sales Office, September 20, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:53 PM 23590 EN12TCF048, Fish Passage Assessments - Lower Fraser, Campbell River Timber Sales Office, September 20, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:54 PM 23692 EN12TCF049, Fish Passage Assessments - Lillooet, Campbell River Timber Sales Office, September 20, 2011.pdf
Monday, October 31, 2011 9:52 AM 23408 EN12TCF055, Fish Passage Assessments - Chilliwack, Campbell River Timber Sales Office, October 27, 2011.pdf
Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:41 AM 24693 EN12TCG010, Road Construction & Portable Bridge Installation, Campbell River, June 23, 2011.pdf
Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:38 AM 24498 EN12TCG011, Road Construction & Bridge Installation, Campbell River, September 1, 2011.pdf
Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:02 PM 29496 EN12TCG013 Install Bridges, Campbell River, June 30, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:54 PM 23230 FE12TCF046, Fertilization Application, Strait of Georgia BA, September 28, 2011.pdf
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:59 PM 23515 FH12TCC050 Plantskydd Treatment, Sunshine Coast areas, Powell River, October 13, 2011.pdf
Monday, May 16, 2011 12:54 PM 23416 IM12TCB002, FS Road Inspections, Campbell River, May 16, 2011.pdf
Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:35 PM 46122 IM12TCD018, EMS Conformance Monitoring, Port Alberni, April 21, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:54 PM 23320 IM12TCF017, EMS Conformance Monitoring, Campbell_Powell River, April 26, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:14 PM 23600 IM12TCF045 Fertilization Application Implementation, Strait of Georgia BA, November 1, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:56 PM 24799 IM12TCG062, Planting Contract Implementation, Campbell River, February 15, 2012.pdf
Friday, March 30, 2012 7:51 AM 23642 PD13TCF002 Biologist Services, Strait of Georgia_Seaward, March 29, 2012.pdf
Friday, March 30, 2012 7:56 AM 23375 PD13TCF003 Archaeologist Services, Strait of Georgia, March 29, 2012.pdf
Friday, March 30, 2012 7:56 AM 23239 PD13TCF004 Hydrologist Services, Strait of Georgia, March 29, 2012.pdf
Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:44 PM 27906 PL12TCC034, Planting, Powell River, June 6, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:54 PM 23543 PL12TCC059, Planting_Cone Maintenance, Powell River, January 10, 2012.pdf
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 1:35 PM 27639 PL12TCD043 Tree Planting, Port Alberni, September 7, 2011.pdf
Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:08 PM 27752 PL12TCD060, Planting, Port Alberni, February 16, 2012.pdf
Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:35 AM 24419 PL12TCG019, Tree Planting, Campbell River, August 15, 2011.pdf
Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:56 PM 24895 PL12TCG056 Tree Planting, Campbell River, January 12, 2012.pdf
Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:45 PM 23127 SD12TCB005 TSL Development Eve_Naka_Heber, Campbell River May 25, 2011.pdf
Thursday, April 07, 2011 1:00 PM 47582 SD12TCC003, Multiphase Engineering_TSL Development, Powell River, April 7, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:45 PM 23279 SD12TCC004, Multiphase Engineering_TSL Development, Powell River, April 19, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:57 PM 38443 SD12TCD014, Multiphase TSL Development, Port Alberni, June 1, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:09 PM 44141 SD12TCD015, Multiphase TSL Development, Port Alberni, June 8, 2011.pdf
Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:01 PM 27587 SD12TCD015A, Multiphase TSL Development, Port Alberni, August 30, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:49 PM 23269 SU12TCB020 Regeneration Walkthroughs & Surveys, Campbell River, May 24, 2011.pdf
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:46 PM 23216 SU12TCC038 Surveys & Planting Admin, Powell River, July 26, 2011.pdf
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:10 PM 47665 SU12TCD032, FG_Regen Surveys, Port Alberni, August 31, 2011.pdf
Monday, March 26, 2012 1:17 PM 23169 SU13TCC006 Surveys, Powell River, March 26, 2012.pdf

Looking at the entry for PL12TCG043, I can click on the link and see the results of that particular contract. In this example, it was BD Silviculture.

Each contract number starts with a two letter prefix. They include the following types:

PL - planting
EN - engineering
SU - surveys
BR - brushing
IM - implementation (hiring a consulting company to come in and do pay plots on a planting contractor, for example)
SD - ??
PD - Professional Designation?? (I'm not sure, maybe this is sort of like hiring an implementer but one with certain different professional designation?)

The next two digits are the last two digits of the year, ie. in PL12TCG043 the 12 stands for 2012 planting season.

The next three digits are the BCTS Business Area abbreviation. Distinct from the BC Forest Region and District Boundaries. Here's a comprehensive list of each. The Business Area abbreviations you'll recognize in the contract numbers. The Forest Region and District Boundaries abbreviations you'll recognize in the request keys on a lot of box-end stickers.

BC Timber Sales Business Areas
You may recognize some of these abbreviations from being in the middle of request
keys on box-end stickers.
TBA – Babine Timber Sales Office. Covers Burns Lake, Houston, Smithers.
TCC – Cariboo/Chilcotin Timber Sales Office. Covers Williams Lake, Quesnel.
TCH – Chinook Timber Sales Office. Covers Chilliwack, Queen Charlotte City.
TKA – Kamloops Timber Sales Office. Covers Kamloops, 100 Mile House,
Clearwater, Merritt.
TKO – Kootenay Timber Sales Office. Covers Nelson, Castlegar, Cranbrook, Grand Forks.
TOC – Okanagan/Columbia Timber Sales Office. Covers Vernon, Revelstoke.
TPL – Peace/Liard Timber Sales Office. Covers Dawson Creek, Fort Nelson, Fort
St. John.
TPG – Prince George Timber Sales Office. Covers Prince George, Mackenzie.
TST – Seaward/Tlasta Timber Sales Office. Port McNeill, Price Rupert.
TSK – Skeena Timber Sales Office. Covers Terrance, Hazelton.
TSG – Strait of George Timber Sales Office. Covers Campbell River, Port
Alberni, Powell River.
TSN – Stuart/Nechako Timber Sales Office. Covers Vanderhoof, Fort St.
James.

BC Forest Region and District Boundaries
Southern Interior Forest Region (headquartered in Kamloops):
DMH – 100 Mile House Forest District. Covers 100 Mile House.
DAB – Arrow Boundary Forest District. Covers Castlegar, Grand Forks, Nakusp.
DCS – Cascades Forest District. Covers Merritt, Lillooet, Princeton.
DCC – Central Cariboo Forest District. Covers Williams Lake, Horsefly, Likely.
DCH – Chilcotin Forest District. Covers Alexis Creek.
DCO – Columbia Forest District. Covers Revelstoke, Golden.
DHW – Headwaters Forest District. Covers Clearwater, McBride.
DKA – Kamloops Forest District. Covers Kamloops.
DKL – Kootenay Lake Forest District. Covers Nelson.
DOS – Okanagan Shuswap Forest District. Covers Vernon, Penticton, Salmon
Arm.
DQU – Quesnel Forest District. Covers Quesnel.
DRM – Rocky Mountain Forest District. Covers Cranbrook, Invermere.
Northern Interior Forest Region (headquartered in Prince George):
DFN – Fort Nelson Forest District. Covers Fort Nelson.
DJA – Fort St. James Forest District. Covers Fort St. James.
DKM – Kalum Forest District. Covers Terrace.
DMK – Mackenzie Forest District. Covers Mackenzie.
DND – Nadina Forest District. Covers Burns Lake, Houston.
DPC – Peace Forest District. Covers Dawson Creek, Fort St. John.
DPG – Prince George Forest District. Covers Prince George.DSS – Skeena Stikine Forest District. Covers Smithers, Dease Lake, Hazelton.
DVA – Vanderhoof Forest District. Covers Vanderhoof.
Coast Forest Region (headquartered in Nanaimo):
DCR – Campbell River Forest District. Covers Campbell River.
DCK – Chilliwack Forest District. Covers Chilliwack.
DNC – North Coast Forest District. Covers Prince Rupert.
DIC – North Island Central Coast Forest District. Covers Port McNeill,
Hagensborg.
DQC – Queen Charlotte Islands Forest District. Covers Queen Charlotte City.
DSI – South Island Forest District. Covers Port Alberni, Duncan.
DSQ – Squamish Forest District. Covers Squamish.
DSC – Sunshine Coast Forest District. Covers Powell River, Sechelt.

Anyway, that got a bit long-winded. But hopefully you can find the spacing results that you're looking for this way.

That was so easy. Thanks heaps, Scooter!

[Mike]

Thanks Scooter for the 2009 thread. New project to keep me distracted on Scottish nights.

[Chocolatej]

Thanks Scooter for the 2009 thread. New project to keep me distracted on Scottish nights.

When the frost hits, you may want more material for the long scottish days...

[dreamofcream]

Here's one that seemed to be missed;

BCTS Vanderhoof PL14TJE004 opened Sept. 19
3,000,000 trees

35.3 Next Gen
37.7 Folklore
46.4 Spectrum
47.6 Apex
55.8 Celtic

what is going on with the huge discrepancy here between the first two bidders and the latter three? Was there a serious error on the part of either group, or is this simply the case of a deliberately very high bid on the part of spectrum, apex and celtic? I mean, barring a substantial amount of fill work, these bids seem exceptionally high for the area in question. Any insight would be appreciated, thanks very much

[Scooter]

The FFT Vanderhoof contract is all forest fire regeneration, so not quite as easy as some of the prepped fresh stuff in the same area that's been going for 21 or 22 cents. Six of the blocks are standing mature areas, and the other 28 are plantations that burned. Of the 28 plantations, about 21 burned down to black twigs while 7 blocks still have some scattered patches of trees that are partially green.

My camp is planting half of this job next spring, since NGR ended up passing on the job. Big thanks to NGR for giving me this one! I think my planters are going to do quite well.

The high prices by the top three were probably for two reasons:

1. They probably bid helicopter on half a million of the toughest trees, whereas I spent some time cutting quad trails into those particular blocks this month with a chain saw, and we're just going to quad the trees in.
2. It's a big job that's at one of the busiest times of year, and will tie up two camps simultaneously (not likely an early startup). That's not very appealing for most companies, which would keep them from being more aggressive.

Also, with this being a year giving the industry many more trees than last year, perhaps more than can be absorbed easily, the top three bidders probably just decided to go for contracts that better suited their workforce. We've done this kind of forest fire renewal work before and it didn't really scare us off. I think a lot of companies are going to get more experience in this kind of ground soon. There are quite a number of other contracts with similar (fire) ground this year: a couple in Williams Lake, one for BCTS in Quesnel, and one for BCTS in Burns Lake.

The Burns Lake job is interesting, because it's just a very short distance to the west of these blocks, in the same fire. But it's over the provincial forest district boundary, so that one is being covered by BCTS Burns Lake whereas this one is Vanderhoof. The only real difference is that one of the big blocks on the Burns Lake contract is being bull-dozed and the wood burned, so it will be like a fresh block. So that contract will probably go for a price similar to our bid on this contract, or even lower. I think the Burns Lake results will be announced this coming week.

[chrisdunn]

Maybe the higher ones were accounting for alot more man days of DTAing and DTFing.

[Scooter]

Quite possible. Worked out well for me though.

[Evergreen]

BCTS - Kamloops 02 - 956,000 trees

$255,647 - 26.7 - Folklore (low by 5.6%)
$269,975 - 28.2 - Coast Range
$273,545 - 28.6 - Apex
$275,125 - 28.8 - Brinkman
$276,713 - 28.9 - A&G
$290,704 - 30.4 - Blue Collar
$299,169 - 31.3 - Zanzibar
$312,073 - 32.6 - Seneca

For 2012 the two BCTS Kamloops jobs went for 22 and 28.5 cents. I don't know how much prep there was on this year's job relative to last year's. I'd imagine Scooter has info on that.

[Scooter]

This is the one that went for 22 last year. Lots of prep.

[Evergreen]

Results for BCTS Okanagan North (Vernon, PL14TKJ001)

Raven, $176,298 (35.2 cents per tree)
Seneca, $188,833 (37.7 cents per tree)
Timberline, $189,424 (37.8 cents per tree)
Quastuco, $189,465 (37.8 cents per tree)
Coast Range, $192,175 (38.3 cents per tree)
All-Stars, $194,701 (38.8 cents per tree)
Rhino, $202,103 (40.3 cents per tree)
Zanzibar, $213,499 (42.6 cents per tree)
Evergreen, $214,983 (42.9 cents per tree)
Dewan, $252,716 (50.4 cents per tree)

Total Trees: 501,220

We just received our bid deposit back from this contract. I was amazed to see that this job was awarded to Coast Range, the fifth place bid. Does that mean that Raven, Seneca, Timberline & Quastuco all forfieted their $5,000 bid deposits? I would imagine Raven was let off if they accepted the other Vernon job but what excuse would the other contractors have? I think this relatively recently implemented bid deposit system is mostly a farce and a pain in the arse.

[Evergreen]

BCTS Cranbrook - 1,203,300 trees

$433,000 - 36.0 - Brinkman
$447,444 - 37.2 - Zanzibar
$489,902 - 40.7 - Fieldstone
$507,442 - 42.2 - Evergreen
$519,536 - 43.2 - Akehurst & Guiltrap
$562,822 - 46.8 - Next Gen (did the job last year for 38.4)

[Scooter]

I think this relatively recently implemented bid deposit system is mostly a farce and a pain in the arse.

Did you lose your bid deposit for dropping the second FFT Williams Lake job?

[Scooter]

MOF Clearwater
Spring contract, PL14DTR002

Zanzibar - $182,807
Evergreen - $196,387
A&G - $220,159
Seneca - $283,853
Celtic - $345,388

I think Zanzibar passed on this one. Evergreen?

[Evergreen]

Scooter - answers to your questions;

1) Refunded because we took their other job and we don't have a 2nd camp to do the other job. Mitigating circumstances.

2) Yes Zanzibar passed. MOF Clearwater at 52 cents sounds lovely.

[Scooter]

BCTS Quesnel
PL14TLH004
Spring and Summer tree planting, # of trees unknown

Apex, $479,868
AKD, $481,588
Blue Collar, $500,828
Seneca, $529,163
Zanzibar, $552,665
Brinkman, $585,770
NGR, $710,710

[Scooter]

BCTS Burns Lake
PL14TAB001A
Spring trees, around 1.09 million if I remember correctly.

Trees are located in the Binta burn (southeast of Burns Lake), a burn that was about six years ago. There are seven blocks, comprising around 60% of the contract, which were previously planted blocks that got toasted. There is also one large block which had more mature wood which was bulldozed and cleared. Trees on this contract are located very close to the FFT Vanderhoof job which my camp will be doing. That would have given us some nice efficiencies had we gotten the contract.

Hybrid-17 - $305,960 (28.0 cents per tree)
Folklore - $438,374 (40.2 cents per tree)
Apex - $450,820 (41.4 cents per tree)
Seneca - $461,998 (42.4 cents per tree)
Timberline - $499,456 (45.8 cents per tree)
NGR - $651,610 (59.8 cents per tree)

This one is pretty stunning.

[Scooter]

BCTS Kamloops
Contract PL14TED001
940k spring, 220k summer

Coast Range - $323,559 (27.9 cents per tree)
Brinkman - $340,095 (29.3 cents per tree)
Folklore - $346,984 (29.9 cents per tree)
Apex - $349,065 (30.1 cents per tree)
Zanzibar - $366,746 (31.6 cents per tree)
Seneca - $379,212 (32.7 cents per tree)
AKD - $397,032 (34.2 cents per tree)
Evergreen - $411,916 (35.5 cents per tree)
Celtic - $469,756 (40.5 cents per tree)

[Scooter]

BCTS Fort St. James
PL14TJE005
Spring Trees, maybe around 1.6 million if I remember correctly?

Coast Range - $639,590
Apex - $641,143
Folklore - $688,599
NGR - $701,579
Celtic - $792,782
Seneca - $795,936
Artisan - $797,716

I don't have the summer contract results here. Maybe someone else can post if they come online while I'm away.

[Evergreen]

BCTS - Clearwater - 155,120 trees
PL14TEE001 - 30X30 screef

1 - $65,544 - 42.2 - Fieldstone
D - $71,510 - 46.1 - MacLennan Farms (DQ no bid deposit)
2 - $71,662 - 46.2 - Brinkman
3 - $73,455 - 47.4 - Allstars
4 - $78,422 - 50.6 - Seneca (did it last year for 43.5)
5 - $85,638 - 55.2 - Blue Collar
6 - $94,788 - 61.1 - Apex
7 - $96,319 - 62.1 - Evergreen
8 - $98,178 - 63.3 - Raven
9 - $115,719 - 74.6 - Celtic

[dreamofcream]

BCTS Cranbrook - 1,203,300 trees

$433,000 - 36.0 - Brinkman
$447,444 - 37.2 - Zanzibar
$489,902 - 40.7 - Fieldstone
$507,442 - 42.2 - Evergreen
$519,536 - 43.2 - Akehurst & Guiltrap
$562,822 - 46.8 - Next Gen (did the job last year for 38.4)

next gen hasn't worked in cranbrook or anywhere in the kootenays for three of four years.

[mcD]

did Zanzibar end up getting that one?

[Mike]

Hybrid-17 - $305,960 (28.0 cents per tree)
Folklore - $438,374 (40.2 cents per tree)
Apex - $450,820 (41.4 cents per tree)
Seneca - $461,998 (42.4 cents per tree)
Timberline - $499,456 (45.8 cents per tree)
NGR - $651,610 (59.8 cents per tree)

This one is pretty stunning.

NGR continues their hilarious bidding high in hopes for a cheesy hail-mary.

This bid seems like a really odd one for Hybrid-17, which generally runs a decent small season on a single direct award contract in the Smithers region.

[Evergreen]

BCTS Cranbrook - 1,203,300 trees

$433,000 - 36.0 - Brinkman
$447,444 - 37.2 - Zanzibar
$489,902 - 40.7 - Fieldstone
$507,442 - 42.2 - Evergreen
$519,536 - 43.2 - Akehurst & Guiltrap
$562,822 - 46.8 - Next Gen (did the job last year for 38.4)

next gen hasn't worked in cranbrook or anywhere in the kootenays for three of four years.

They were the low bidder at 38.4 cents for the 2012 Cranbrook job followed by Zanzibar, Brinkman and Coast Range. I thunked they'd done it.

[mcD]

1 Fieldstone Resources Ltd. $228,112.92 40.44 c
2 Evergreen Forest Service Ltd. $240,508.16 42.64 c
3 Timberline Reforestation (2004) Ltd. $244,818.18 43.4 c

564 000 trees and about 65 000 (?) tee bags

while these bids look higher than this area has gone for in previous years, this project looked like a real pain in the ass, fill plants, holes, burn piles etc. as well as a few tee bags thrown in

[Evergreen]

1 Fieldstone Resources Ltd. $228,112.92 40.44 c
2 Evergreen Forest Service Ltd. $240,508.16 42.64 c
3 Timberline Reforestation (2004) Ltd. $244,818.18 43.4 c

564 000 trees and about 65 000 (?) tee bags

while these bids look higher than this area has gone for in previous years, this project looked like a real pain in the ass, fill plants, holes, burn piles etc. as well as a few tee bags thrown in

BCTS - Kootenay Lake 588,825 trees - plus adjustment for T-Bags

Fieldstone - 38.74 cents
Evergreen - 40.84
Timberline - 41.57

Very spread out job including Yahk, Kaslo and Nelson areas

[mcD]

I stand corrected. Kootenay lake is a painful district to travel through!

[Angkorwat]

BCTS Sunshine Coast


1 Fieldstone Resources Ltd. 247,596.16
2 Rainforest Silviculture Services Ltd. 282,950.29
3 Osprey Silviculture Operations Ltd. 190,177.34
4 Impact Reforestation Ltd. 249,665.64
5 Leader Silviculture Ltd. 296,128.78
6 Brinkman & Associates Reforestation Ltd. 250,813.88
7 Evergreen Forest Services Ltd. 248,285.81

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/tsg/extern ... 202012.pdf

....and then there was a company called Osprey

[Evergreen]

BCTS Sunshine Coast


1 Fieldstone Resources Ltd. 247,596.16
2 Rainforest Silviculture Services Ltd. 282,950.29
3 Osprey Silviculture Operations Ltd. 190,177.34
4 Impact Reforestation Ltd. 249,665.64
5 Leader Silviculture Ltd. 296,128.78
6 Brinkman & Associates Reforestation Ltd. 250,813.88
7 Evergreen Forest Services Ltd. 248,285.81

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/tsg/extern ... 202012.pdf

....and then there was a company called Osprey

Further to the big A's post;

BCTS Sunshine Coast

325,000 trees + 30,461 cones to remove

$190,177 - Osprey ($57,419 left on the table)
$247,596 - Fieldstone (30% higher)
$248,285 - Evergreen
$249,665 - Impact
$250,813 - Brinkman
$282,950 - Rainforest
$296,129 - Leader

The trees are all 512As which come 108 to a box including coffin boxes for the alder. There are multiple locations including Theodosia Inlet, Powell River, Sechelt and Hotham Sound including boats, barges & helicopters. The contractor has to get the trees from Kamloops - a mere 3,000 boxes. I was at the tender opening and was thinking what a great tight grouping it was and the they opened the final tender - Osprey's. That's gotta hurt. I wish our bid was $690 lower.

[Evergreen]

Does anyone remember this one from BCTS Sunshine Coast 2010? Same place different time.

Results for PL10TCC062 - BCTS Sunshine Coast -

118,780 trees & 36,200 cones - also includes heli and boat work and expensive logistics

Khaira - $90,970.60
Rainforest - $128,927.00
Stephan - $135,618.20
Brinkman - $148,150.44
Timberline - $151,104.48
Fieldstone - $154,663.40
Evergreen - $157,545.50
Osprey - $165,206.44
Impact - $165,579.60

[Angkorwat]

Notice to Bidders
Contract PL13TCC051
Project: Planting, Sunshine Coast areas
Questions and Answers will be placed in this document as and when received.
No Further Questions will be posted for this contract as of 1:00 p.m., November 16, 2012.
Update: November 16, 2012, 2:00 p.m.
There are no coffin boxes as previously posted. The Dr seedlings at PRT-Hybrid are short enough to put in regular cartons.
Update: November 16, 2012
Question:
How many trees per box are the 512As? Also, which size boxes are they? Standard 16X12X24 or larger coffin types?
Answer:
The best estimate from the nurseries at this time is attached (see page 2).
Update: November 14, 2012
Question:
In the Schedule it says that cones can be returned to a designated recycling facility. Does that mean these cones aren't going to be reused and that they don't have to be bundled? Where is the recycling facility?
Do you have a minimum daily production required?
Answer:
1. The cones will not be reused and bundling is not required. Augusta Recyclers Inc in Powell River is the designated facility. Note: protectors must be clean and all cedar stakes removed prior to recycling.
2. There is no minimum daily production required.

Alder 132 a box,120 box for rest of 512's,210 a box for the pw stubbies(just 20,000 of them).

yep...i remember that one,haha

[Evergreen]

You can't always trust what BCTS says. I phoned the cold storage facility in Kamloops. They confirmed that thier inventory showed coffin boxes for the alder and the box counts for 512s at 108. I suppose it's all speculative as seedlings are just now being lifted and shipped to cold storage facilities.

Further to the 2010 Khaira fiasco, it seems that all measures suggested by the inquiry to avoid another similar event have now been suspended. For a short while BCTS was checking to make sure camps were decent and planters were getting paid on time. All of that has gone by the wayside, at least in the southern interior and on the coast. It's business as usual with little or no scrutiny from the government. It's only a matter of time until another black eye comes our way.

[Evergreen]

Here are a couple more that just opened

BCTS Quesnel - 2,238,472 trees
PL14TLH003

$805,850 - 36.0 - Next Gen
$808,293 - 36.1 - Blue Collar
$818,293 - 36.5 - Apex
$888,658 - 39.7 - Seneca
$952,593 - 42.6 - AKD
$1,113,053 - 49.7 - Zanzibar


BCTS Boudary - 1,143,441 trees
PL14TFF01

$503,215 - 44.0 - Evergreen
$511,147 - 44.7 - Akehurst & Galvani
$592,081 - 51.8 - Blue Collar

[shawniganlaker]

Indeed, looks like a repeat of a Kahira type situation doesn't it. This is where that whole fiasco began, and when BCTS accepted that bid they got what they paid for: A job less than half done.

Seems Osprey will be grinding the planters down on this one. With the logistics involved in this job will they be able to pay any more than $.15 for a 512 and still get the trees to the block ? Brutal !

At least the rest of the field did their homework !

[retrovertigo]

Yeah it'd have to be under .16 cents. That's fucking insane for that area, especially up the inlets.

Who the hell works for Osprey anyways? I hear their name all the time but I've never met a single planter who's done a job with them.

[clay]

that sunshine coast contract has quite the streak going - as i recall brinky underbid this job last year by around the same margin... and then ended up bidding significantly higher this year.

[Pandion]

Yeah it'd have to be under .16 cents. That's fucking insane for that area, especially up the inlets.

Who the hell works for Osprey anyways? I hear their name all the time but I've never met a single planter who's done a job with them.

16 cents isn't too bad when there is no quality or accountability. I bet half those trees won't even end up being planted, but they will be claimed. They'll probably just send in a bunch of rookies who don't know any better and expect BCTS foresters to supervise the show. Osprey is not the golden of the gold, more like the moldy of the mold. It will be interesting to see how bad this contract turns out.

[RPF]

BCTS Sunshine Coast


1 Fieldstone Resources Ltd. 247,596.16
2 Rainforest Silviculture Services Ltd. 282,950.29
3 Osprey Silviculture Operations Ltd. 190,177.34
4 Impact Reforestation Ltd. 249,665.64
5 Leader Silviculture Ltd. 296,128.78
6 Brinkman & Associates Reforestation Ltd. 250,813.88
7 Evergreen Forest Services Ltd. 248,285.81

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/tsg/extern ... 202012.pdf

....and then there was a company called Osprey

Does anyone know what the breakdown of this bid looks like (i.e. how much is related to the coning aspect and how much is strictly for planting?)

[Evergreen]

BCTS Sunshine Coast


1 Fieldstone Resources Ltd. 247,596.16
2 Rainforest Silviculture Services Ltd. 282,950.29
3 Osprey Silviculture Operations Ltd. 190,177.34
4 Impact Reforestation Ltd. 249,665.64
5 Leader Silviculture Ltd. 296,128.78
6 Brinkman & Associates Reforestation Ltd. 250,813.88
7 Evergreen Forest Services Ltd. 248,285.81

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/tsg/extern ... 202012.pdf

....and then there was a company called Osprey

Does anyone know what the breakdown of this bid looks like (i.e. how much is related to the coning aspect and how much is strictly for planting?)

BCTS Sunshine Coast

325,000 trees + 30,461 cones to remove

$190,177 - Osprey ($57,419 left on the table)
$247,596 - Fieldstone (30% higher)
$248,285 - Evergreen
$249,665 - Impact
$250,813 - Brinkman
$282,950 - Rainforest
$296,129 - Leader

It's anyone's guess as to how much of each contractor's bid was for the cone removal and how much was for planting. The cones were bid by the hectare. The density of cones was 1047 per ha. 58% were 4 footers while the rest were 3 footers - all on Texada Island.

Fixed costs for boats, barges and trucking trees from Kamloops is around $34,000. That doesn't include heli usage in blocks which is a few thou. Any way you look at it, this is a big loser at the low bid.

[whitepickup]

BCTS Sunshine Coast


1 Fieldstone Resources Ltd. 247,596.16
2 Rainforest Silviculture Services Ltd. 282,950.29
3 Osprey Silviculture Operations Ltd. 190,177.34
4 Impact Reforestation Ltd. 249,665.64
5 Leader Silviculture Ltd. 296,128.78
6 Brinkman & Associates Reforestation Ltd. 250,813.88
7 Evergreen Forest Services Ltd. 248,285.81

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/tsg/extern ... 202012.pdf

....and then there was a company called Osprey

Does anyone know what the breakdown of this bid looks like (i.e. how much is related to the coning aspect and how much is strictly for planting?)

BCTS Sunshine Coast

325,000 trees + 30,461 cones to remove

$190,177 - Osprey ($57,419 left on the table)
$247,596 - Fieldstone (30% higher)
$248,285 - Evergreen
$249,665 - Impact
$250,813 - Brinkman
$282,950 - Rainforest
$296,129 - Leader

It's anyone's guess as to how much of each contractor's bid was for the cone removal and how much was for planting. The cones were bid by the hectare. The density of cones was 1047 per ha. 58% were 4 footers while the rest were 3 footers - all on Texada Island.

Fixed costs for boats, barges and trucking trees from Kamloops is around $34,000. That doesn't include heli usage in blocks which is a few thou. Any way you look at it, this is a big loser at the low bid.

Fieldstone will likely get the contract. Give it another week.

[Angkorwat]

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/TCH/extern ... ov2012.pdf

Squamish/Chilliwack Spring and Fall
CONTRACT NO.
PL14TBH001
Zanzibar Holdings Ltd 514,828.50
Fieldstone Resources Ltd. 568,677.62
Leader Silviculture Ltd. 544,792.83

[pinuscontorta]

Results from the IFS Prince George job in Mackenzie, funding from FFT:



Apex Reforestation $388,294

Dynamic Reforestation $628,381

Celtic Reforestation $655,208

Spectrum Resource Group $738,711

Brinkman & Associates $795,438

Folklore Contracting $1030,239



The spread on these bids is unprecedented. Approximately one million trees, summer work. The Apex bid can only be viewed as suicidal. The blocks are all walk-ins or fly-ins, often on steep group, more than two hundred kilometers north of Mackenzie. The ground was standing timber that was burned in fires, and ranges from soft to extremely rocky. Many sections have blowdown. There are danger trees throughout. Apex cannot have factored proper danger tree assessment or treatment into their bid. It seems unbelievable that Apex would make this bid, knowing how difficult the job was. This job has the potential to break a smaller company. Good luck to Apex planters.

[Nate]

That's probably the worst bid we've ever seen on these forums?

[Casper]

It seems like the worst bid ever yeah. Any chances Apex drop the contract ?

[Pebbles]

Hopefully its a safety net bid in case they cant get enough summer contracts to have a full season, which is unlikely since I've heard they got a lot of direct award contracts for spring.

[zilla]

Scooter - answers to your questions;

1) Refunded because we took their other job and we don't have a 2nd camp to do the other job. Mitigating circumstances.

2) Yes Zanzibar passed. MOF Clearwater at 52 cents sounds lovely.

Does that mean Evergreen took this job?

[mcD]

pretty sure they did