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Haveman Brothers (Ontario)

Post by ontoronto » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:16 am

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If you're looking for contact information for Haveman Brothers, based out of Ontario, try this website:
http://www.havemanbrothers.com/


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Anyone have recent experiences with Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman? Its getting close to decision time so any relevant perspectives or experiences would be much appreciated.

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by Nate » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:43 am

I've been out of the game in Ontario for a while now, but from my experiences in Ontario it should be Haveman by a comfortable margin.

The only catch, however, is that it's a rather Christian-oriented company. If that would bother you, I'd pick Treeline next, although I'd guess the specific contract you were on between Treeline and Brinkman would be the true determining factor; selecting between companies as an aggregate is difficult.

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by ontoronto » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:48 am

I keep hearing about the Cristian-oriented nature of Haveman. what specifically does this mean? For example; if I work there should I keep my rampant atheist ideologies to myself... that sort of thing.

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by Gabe » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:56 am

edited - this post was grossly inaccurate
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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by Nate » Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:05 pm

ontoronto wrote:I keep hearing about the Cristian-oriented nature of Haveman. what specifically does this mean? For example; if I work there should I keep my rampant atheist ideologies to myself... that sort of thing.
Posted company rules like "No unmarried males and females together in the same tent after 8p.m."

And I'm not kidding.

(Though the camp I was in, these were neither enforced nor adhered to.)

It seems to be a lot of Dutch Reform or something like that, so drinking is okay, but drugs are pretty heavily frowned upon. Instead of 1984 and Dharma Bums floating around camp you'll see the KJB and The Case for Christ. That kind of thing.

Some % going into church on days off etc., quite a few students from bible colleges.

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by The Rev » Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:38 pm

Gabe wrote:word around ON last year was that Treeline didn't secure any contracts in 2009. They may be back this year. I don't know. I've never worked for them. I'm just sayin'
Incorrect info ... Thunderhouse was out in 2009, trying to make a comeback in 2010 - They have at least one contract so far - in Hearst (where else??)

Treeline has been going strong in the Englehart area (for TFA) for 10 + years and have had their ups and downs.

Treeline will be planting additional trees in the Timmins and Cochrane area this spring (posted on their website..)
....... Possibly a little out of their element - might not know what their getting into ....

Haveman and Brinkman are both solid companies (ups and downs as well, no doubt)

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by Seabass » Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:51 pm

The Rev wrote:
Gabe wrote:word around ON last year was that Treeline didn't secure any contracts in 2009. They may be back this year. I don't know. I've never worked for them. I'm just sayin'
Incorrect info ... Thunderhouse was out in 2009, trying to make a comeback in 2010 - They have at least one contract so far - in Hearst (where else??)

Treeline has been going strong in the Englehart area (for TFA) for 10 + years and have had their ups and downs.

Treeline will be planting additional trees in the Timmins and Cochrane area this spring (posted on their website..)
....... Possibly a little out of their element - might not know what their getting into ....

Haveman and Brinkman are both solid companies (ups and downs as well, no doubt)
Timmins is a rough area to plant. Get used to hearing *tink*tink*tink* all freakin' day. Either that or trudging through swamps. My rookie season was there many years ago...
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Post by The Rev » Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:03 pm

they might not be use to the nonprep lowland and mixed wood areas on the Timmins and Cochrane forests.

Not to mention some s-h-i-t access

Treeline might be in for a world-o-hurt .............

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by Gabe » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:13 pm

Thanx rev, for the correction. Totally my bad, and no disrespect intended.

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by Tupperfan » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:26 pm

Ah...Timmins. *Tink* is truly a sound you hear a lot there!

All I know about Treeline is that they had a pretty good reputation, then there was some kind of changes and many of their experienced planters and management defected out west. My supervisor and another camp's supervisor in Alberta, along with a crewboss or two in AB and MB are Treeline former employees.

I don't want to slander or defame, just what I've heard.

It is indeed Thunderhouse that didn't get any trees last year. I thought they would fold, but I'm not too surprised they got another contract in Hearst (where else indeed).

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by Slowsis » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:01 am

Contact is VERY important in this case. Who would be your supervisor for Brinkman? I worked my first two seasons for Neil out of T-Bay on the Brinkman Ontario unionized show. Its super tight. If that is your option, I would suggest taking it.

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Post by olerthemoler » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:54 pm

so haveman's pretty christian eh? no party? lol. i dont like the no opposite sex in tent rule.. -_- ill get lonely at night i want a tent buddy

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Post by East » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:03 pm

Posted company rules like "No unmarried males and females together in the same tent after 8p.m."

seriously . . . the fact that this is a rule makes the management pretty questionable in my opinion

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Post by E.E » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:11 pm

amazing... I can't believe that's legal.

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by theBushman » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:26 pm

The nature of short term employment.
I'm sure that it gets dressed up as making for a positive work environment for the group as a whole. Keeping the drama down and so on.
'If you dont like it, perhaps you wouldn't fit the dynamic' would be the response I'm sure.
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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by Scooter » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:34 pm

Technically speaking, a planting camp is defined as being part of the workplace.

Workers receive benefits from this. For example, if you fall and break your leg in camp after supper, you are covered by Workers' Compensation, because you're considered to be on the job site.

However, the trade-off is that you have to accept some restrictions. I suspect that a company would have a pretty good defense by suggesting that they don't allow sex between workers in the workplace, if someone were to try to complain to the labour board.

However, having said that, I think that policy is retarded. Sharing a tent allows workers to capitalize on body heat, keeping them physically and emotionally healthier. It also allows employees to share costs, which ultimately should be in the best interests of the company, because the employees will be able to retain more take-home pay at the end of the summer, and thus might be more likely to return in future seasons.

In fact, I think the company should also encourage planters to shower together, to conserve water.

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Post by jdtesluk » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:07 pm

They can define it as a workplace all they want, but if you are not being paid for your time, there are restrictions on what a company can do to control your behaviour. In this case, given the basis of the policy in a Christian-themed corporate environment, I don't think the company would have the chance of an ice-cube surviving hell's fire of winning a court case related to this issue. The Canada Human Rights Act would simply blow their christian-conservative house of cards off the table. If they were to fire a planter for violating this policy and end up in court, you can guarantee they would leave the whole religion thing at the door, and make some hocus argument about the policy being related to worker safety, because they KNOW they would lose the moment their religious idealism entered the conversation.

They should stick to what they are legally entitled to do: provide employment and plant trees, and avoid trying to impose their own set of religious morals upon others. Company policies like this belong in the past, like 2000 years, didn't even have a place at any point this century or the last. Leave the proselytizing and bible thumping to the folks that keep knocking on my door at 10 in the morning to push some crappy comic book on me.

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Post by Tnalp » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:13 pm

Sharing body heat!! Good one! Like in the Gulags were those things were "normal". Ha Ha.

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by olerthemoler » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:49 pm

I'm trying to decide which company to treeplant with. Haveman brothers, Outland or Thunderhouse? They're all Ontario companies(well except Outland works in Manitoba too) Any comments/suggestions? Thanks!

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by The Rev » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:59 pm

Of those 3 - Definitely - Haveman

You will be well trained, treated fairly and paid decently

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by olerthemoler » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:57 pm

what about the age range and male to female ratio at the Haveman camp? so if it's christian no weed/alcohol right? i dont mind that as im not a heavy drinker but it'd be fun to be allowed to have a buddy with you in your tent. is that allowed?
but if it's christian does that mean there's no party at all? I like dancing and music so I dont want a boring atmosphere either. a good balance would be good if you know what I mean.

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by olerthemoler » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:59 pm

Im 22 so I'm hoping to choose a company with people around my age range so I dont feel awkward

thanks again!

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by olerthemoler » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:02 pm

woops just realized there are posts above i havent read yet. lol still getting used to how this forum thread works

thanks guys for your input

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Re: Haveman, Treeline, or Brinkman?

Post by East » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:20 am

olerthemoler wrote:so haveman's pretty christian eh? no party? lol. i dont like the no opposite sex in tent rule.. -_- ill get lonely at night i want a tent buddy
No opposite sex that's too bad.. Gay orgies are a go tho?

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