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CAPP - Faster Forests

Post by Duncan » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:21 am

These guys have a link:

http://www.capp.ca/energySupply/peopleW ... y6t6inVnW3

I heard the 2009 season was huge
30,000 trees
Garrett Brown has 13 years of experience of ? (not sure what of) but his motto is:

"I work for a company that values doing the right thing. It’s very rewarding to know the company I work for considers the business aspects in balance with environmental and social considerations.”

Wow Garrett, how inspirational. I hope CAPP (short for Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers) has a even more massive twenty-ten season. What maybe 50 grand, fuck yeah, hopefully most of it can be aspen because its such a rare species of tree. Go Garrett.

Here is some more excerpts on Garrett's totally rad planting projects:

"Garrett Brown can see the forests, and the trees. He is an Environment and Regulatory Coordinator at ConocoPhillips Canada."
"We believe Faster Forests has the potential to restore the forest more quickly than it would otherwise be restored, while exceeding regulatory expectations,” he says. "
"Faster Forests will speed things up by planting three species of trees seedlings; spruce, birch and aspen."
"“Faster Forests is about more than just planting trees,” says Garrett."
"The company wants to create employment opportunities for local contractors and suppliers and help establish the necessary training in biology, planting and monitoring of reclamation sites."

Whoa, not to fast Garret! You can't do this alone, maybe some of your other massive oil companies could lend a hand.
"ConocoPhillips Canada is one of several producers who piloted aggressive reclamation programs this year. Nexen Inc., Statoil Hydro, Suncor Energy and Total E&P piloted similar programs and shared best practices with one another. Collectively, the programs targetted the planting of approximately 140,000 trees this year, with plans to accelerate reclamation efforts in the years ahead."

Wholly shit, maybe next year 200 k, fuck I better start up my own planting company, there will be way too much work for the industry to ever be able to handle....

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm stoked. If you are as stoked as I am you better contact them and let them know, hell they've even set up feedback email. You better hurry up!

http://www.capp.ca/aboutUs/contactUs/Pa ... C9S8sqssPT

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Post by Duncan » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:06 pm

These guys are stoked to receive your feedback, check it out:

"Thank you taking the time to send your views on the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers' advertisements. We appreciate all feedback - positive and negative - for obvious reasons.
Our research indicated people are interested in learning more about the oil sands and they want to hear from the industry doing the work, not just environmental activist groups.

The information presented in the advertisements is true. The ads are focused on real people working to improve how the industry extracts oil from the oil sands while reducing the environmental footprint (including reclamation of boreal forest ecosystems which is happening today, and to which the industry is committed in law and deed).
Here is a link to just one example of the work being done by real people who do actually care about reclamation of forests and take pride in their job:
http://www.capp.ca/energySupply/innovat ... IFr5wMP4se

Yours truly,
Travis Davies
Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers"

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Post by Coaster » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:38 pm

It is truly humbling and awe inspiring to see what great corporate citizens can do when they take the lead with visionary programs like this one! I'm gonna rush out and get me some a that great Conoco gasoline and I'm gonna drive up there and get a look see first hand. I know I'm gonna need a hanky though, cuz that kinda stuff makes me a little weepy.

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Post by Mike » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:21 pm

Perhaps they honestly are not aware that far more trees than that are planted each year and think they're doing something substantive?
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Post by Scooter » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:12 pm

At least they're planting some.

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Post by Duncan » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:34 pm

Mike wrote:Perhaps they honestly are not aware that far more trees than that are planted each year and think they're doing something substantive?
Are you being serious? Perhaps they are not aware, haha, really, are you being serious?
I'm sure there more than aware of how little $$$ it is when put beside the PR budget on the project itself.
Scooter wrote:At least they're planting some.
The oilsands have been branding themselves as a safe and greener alternative post-BP gulf spill, Stelmach even paid for an ad in some American newspaper about the oilsands with such a mantra. The total cost of this to Albertan taxpayer's, and that's one-off news ad about $50,000, how much do you think msn charges for CAPP to get there green life saving ad campaign into the public sphere, probably about another 30,000 trees worth and that's just peanuts of the overall campaign including websites, writers, pr company, corporate suits who probable spent weeks drawing up the plan - OF COURSE THEY KNOW
Who cares, its rebranding themselves at the expense of you. If people want to make a difference the WSCA should be trying to get in on it or shooting it down as laughable at every stop. Media PR makes the world churn how else would Harper continue to be our PM, or Gordo the premier of BC

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le1627312/

Here is another good PR gig, that is helping to calm public furor to the state of the forests, and the comparison of one small BC brewery 50,000 trees to Conoco's 30,000 - uh gee I wonder who cuts down more:

http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_roc ... 42524.html

Guess who gets his shiny bald skull in there like he's saving the forests, and he has that horrid looking Hitler stache, but there he is doing what most people have to do when you work in the corporate world, lie out yer a$$hole
Its all PR,
Pretty Ridiculous

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Post by Scooter » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:20 am

If people want to make a difference the WSCA should be trying to get in on it or shooting it down as laughable at every stop.
That's an interesting idea. It would certainly get some press.

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Post by Duncan » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:37 am

http://www.timescolonist.com/business/A ... story.html

"In a recently released report designed to spur debate on Alberta's future, the premier's council for economic strategy suggests the public needs to see measurable improvements in how energy is developed, not just good intentions."

I imagine a media blitz on the 30,000 trees just ain't cuttin' it yet?

"The oilsands and energy activity will also be on the agenda when roughly 500 politicians, policy experts and business leaders from Canada and the United States gather in Calgary from Friday to Tuesday for the Pacific Northwest Economic Region's annual conference."

Maybe a grander gesture say 30 million or 300 million needs to be on the agenda? Take all the ad/pr budget and let the media get them all the PR they want and need, (dreamin')

"Total E&P Canada president Jean-Michel Gires acknowledged that organizations attacking the oilsands are dangerous to the energy sector, noting their message has caught the ear of decision-makers in Washington, London and other parts of the world.
"They ask, 'Is it a big problem? Are you concerned? Why don't you pay more attention to the environment? Are you going to stop the development of the oilsands?' " he said.
"You definitely need to listen, understand and explain much better your case, tell much better your story, and understand that your story can be improved."

Telling the case of 30,000 trees is probably not going to improve the story, but thats just my opinion

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Post by dreamofcream » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:42 pm

my experiences with this sort of work, including with conoco phillips was poor, i've heard differently from others but would nonetheless not do it again
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Post by Tupperfan » Tue May 10, 2011 8:27 pm

Duncan wrote:These guys have a link:
I heard the 2009 season was huge
30,000 trees
I won't comment on the corporate p.r. at work on the CAPP website and their ad campaign, but I know that, like most oilsands producers, ConocoPhilips has experimental tree-planting programs that they run in parallel to contracting "regular" reforestation projects. I'm pretty sure those 30,000 trees refers to the former. That said, I don't know about their actual successes with these experiments, besides what is claimed on the site, and it seems it's either really expensive or has limited applications, given the fact that most trees remain planted in the traditional fashion...

Others, like Suncor, also have their own reclamation project, as seen here.

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Post by shootermcgavin » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:25 pm

[quote="Duncan"]http://www.timescolonist.com/business/A ... story.html

Maybe a grander gesture say 30 million or 300 million needs to be on the agenda? Take all the ad/pr budget and let the media get them all the PR they want and need, (dreamin')

Where are you going to find the land to plant 300 million trees???, the 30 000 is to cover up the big hole in the ground, not to offset CO2.

I think a much better question we should be asking is why are we doing this horrible job with plummetting prices when we can be making 600 bucks a day + 50 buck a day camp allowance??? I think I'm done with planting.

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Post by Mike » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:14 am

I think a much better question we should be asking is why are we doing this horrible job with plummetting prices when we can be making 600 bucks a day + 50 buck a day camp allowance??? I think I'm done with planting.
Which job is this? I was under the impression that oil work wages started at the same amount as good planter wages; 250-350$/day. If there really are jobs for people with no prior experience that pay 650$/day, I know what I'm doing this summer. Perhaps you can put me in touch with someone?
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Post by shootermcgavin » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:06 pm

fair enough 650 is a bit high. my buddy just got a job in fort mac as a survery, now he's got 5 years experience (didn't graduate high school however) and he's making 650. the entry level job on a drilling rig is 27 bucks an hour, or 400 a day, plus camp bonus or LOA depending on situation. from guys I've talked to, if you're not a complete F'n idiot you get promoted pretty fast.

http://caodc.ca/wage/wage_drilling.html

Look at that boys and girls, industry regulated wages!!!! what a novel!!!

I'm convinced tree planting is basically a contest between contractors to see how hard and for how long they can prison rape us before we give out.

oh, and FYI, 22 hours ago I had plans to be company owner but the company I wanted to be a part of got underbid so it's see ya later tree planting for this guy. Hello Alberta oil!!! Cha Ching!!!

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Post by Nate » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:12 pm

Mike wrote:
I think a much better question we should be asking is why are we doing this horrible job with plummetting prices when we can be making 600 bucks a day + 50 buck a day camp allowance??? I think I'm done with planting.
Which job is this? I was under the impression that oil work wages started at the same amount as good planter wages; 250-350$/day. If there really are jobs for people with no prior experience that pay 650$/day, I know what I'm doing this summer. Perhaps you can put me in touch with someone?
Look at fraccing, coil tubing, or cementing with either Sanjel, Trican, Schlumberger, Cal Frac, or Haliburton.

They start you out on a salary of between 2500-3500, then you get production bonuses for each job you work. You need a Class 1, but many of those listed are now training Class 5 drivers to Class 1 for free. Guys will gross anywhere between 75-120k depending on the company, the type of work, and what job you get put on. Frac tends to pay the most, coiling second, and cementing third.

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Post by Mike » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:35 am

27 bucks an hour, or 400 a day, plus camp bonus or LOA depending on situation.
27$/hour = 216$/day at 8 hours, 297$/day at 10 hours (assuming 1.5 for hours past 8), and 405$/day at 12 hours (assuming 2.0 for hours past 10).

Would they always give you 12 hour days? That's an interesting cost decision though I guess the bringing people out thing...
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Post by shootermcgavin » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:33 pm

Mike wrote:
27 bucks an hour, or 400 a day, plus camp bonus or LOA depending on situation.
27$/hour = 216$/day at 8 hours, 297$/day at 10 hours (assuming 1.5 for hours past 8), and 405$/day at 12 hours (assuming 2.0 for hours past 10).

Would they always give you 12 hour days? That's an interesting cost decision though I guess the bringing people out thing...
12 hr a day (they do things the legal way and pay travel time, none of this sit in the truck for 4 hours a day for free, and if the truck gets stuck, you still get paid!!!) every day for 14 days in a row, then a week off - could hop a plane to montreal, victoria, NYC, New Orleans ... where ever, have a nice time off, then back to work for another 2 weeks. You don't get to work around tree planters though. concord does a 21 and 3 rotation. 21 12 hour days in a row. some companies pay OT for all hours. Tree planting companies just prison rape their employees. this spring I left for word at 7 am and got home at 7 pm pretty well every day. and they tell me I'm working a 10 hour day. I was 2 or 3 on my crew for production and made some money, but the rookies out there that aren't making minimum wage??? that shit's illegal!!! and the company doesn't bump up the wages, they drop the hours on the ROE, just sort that shit out on paper, The worker doesn't know their rights. they don't teach that shi t in school. They wreck your body, under pay you, cheat you around and tell you that you're lucky to be working for them. and we think we're lucky for it. there's no rrsp contributions, there's no healthcare, there's nothing. well there is EI :D I should stop bitching. It was a good 5 years, I got my million trees and it's time to get out and move on to greener pastures. time for a real job in a real industry that values their workers. Tree planting is weird.

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Post by shootermcgavin » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:38 pm

'Would they always give you 12 hour days? That's an interesting cost decision though I guess the bringing people out thing...'
they're making millions and millions and millions of dollars, they don't nickel and dime you and they're not in a cut throat competition to undercut their competitors. the only competition is for employees. there's not enough people to do the work so it's a competition to see who can afford to pay the most. It's pretty well the exact opposite of tree planting. sure it's dangerous. but so is driving down a bush road with some kid from kid from uni student from toronto behind that wheel who has never driven a truck outside of tree planting land, doesn't drive out side of treeplanting (I wonder why he/she has a spotless drivers abstract??? is it because they're perfect drivers??? no!!! it's because they never F'n drive out side of tree planting!!!!!) safety first!!

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Post by MiddleAgeMayhem » Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:44 am

Whoa, take it easy!

Have any of you guys ever worked in the oil patch? I have.

The paradise you describe does not exist. Spend one winter there, I did, and more. Then double-check your enthusiasm level.

Good luck. If it works out for you, more power to you. But don't expect it to be some joyful working life where everyone is treated well all the time, and they shower you with money and benefits.

Everything has it's good and bad side, and your description is leaving out all the bad parts. The freezing fucking cold, the filth, the bitter unhappy people, the dismal camps where they feed you frozen dinners, the constant cigarette smoke in your face, the crappy little towns, the complete lack of recreation, but for drinking, drugs, casinos, snowmobiling. Maybe people do make tons of money and leave for New Orleans every set of days off, but I never met anybody doing that. Everybody I met was planning their escape as soon as possible, but couldn't resist buying new trucks, getting indebted, and getting stuck there.

I'm not saying there aren't good jobs there, and people that make it work somehow. But let's be realistic: it aint no paradise.

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Post by Mike » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:39 am

Wireless internet, a good pair of sound cancelling headphones, a laptop and an external drive full of legally purchased movies? Or would people stab you for being the crazy weird guy in the corner watching movies all the time rather than drinking and snorting coke?
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Post by Scooter » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:41 am

Yes.
Especially legally purchased ones.

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Post by Tnalp » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:24 pm

Shooter did your recent interest in becoming a "tree planting contractor" include adding all the extra money to planter that they deserve? This Oil patch wage issue is akin to comparing apples to oranges. I have also been there... and will probably be going back..
A good friend is making over 190 K a year for 8 months of work.. The stories are mostly true. But for a lot of people there is a price that they cannot handle. Good luck!!! It seems that you are celebrating your newfound career (exactly what is it?) Anyway if you can get back to us after one full year to give us a summary of how it all went. Cheers.

By the way: I have some Jan Feb saw work available day rate 350 to 400 depending on tickets etc PM me for more details!

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Post by Tnalp » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:25 pm

The saw work part was intended for all!

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Post by MiddleAgeMayhem » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:50 pm

Well, you can snort coke and watch movies at the same time you know.

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Post by fluffer » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:52 am

You can work similar jobs to Fort Mac around the Grand Prairie/Peace River areas where it's not so much of a rat race.

Obviously there's a cut in pay. The lifestyle and quality of people make for a more sustainable lifestyle that could be worth considering, depending on your goals and timeframes.

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