Western Pacific

[Mike Sampson]

anybody know about a planting co. operating in the Quesnel area named Western Pacific. They have an ad in a Victoria newspaper right now.

thanks

[the_dude]

i've only heard things, never planted with them, but have heard that its a gong show, guy i met on the greyhound told me that delivery was fucked, people were waiting for trees all the time, and that everything was underbid.


but again, this is only second hand info, might just be a bitter pissed off guy who got fired for all i know

[mwainwright]

i've heard from several people that they suck huge balls.

[mwainwright]

or since there's no slander on this board, i would say under no circumstances should you work for them. dont waste your time

[daleks]

they have had an ad running the local vanc. island weeklies for about 4 issues now...
went north to work with them a few years back, along with 5 or 6 other veteran island planters..(mostly, we wanted to get out of town)....no accommodation arranged, no advances, the fellow who pretended to be the supervisor was a local skidder/logger owner/operator, fronting for the real owner who had run into trouble with forestry...very low prices (were raised by 2 cents after we threatened to quit).....i left after a week, mostly spent holidaying around, the others stayed.....on the way back to vanc island i ran into Anunda T.L., who wanted to get out anywhere to work, needed money for family, had not worked in several years....went back up there with him, nothing had improved, but he and five others stayed to the end, found their own accommodation...end of contract, no payment or advances were forthcoming, so Anunda and most of the crew found the real owner in Quesnel, approached him at his house, and received a partial payment the following morning (they had "asked" nicely the night before lol)....no more money ever was paid out to this date....

[Rob the Checker]

I haven't worked for West Pac, but they lent me a spare tire when I was in a pinch and without question or any hassle, it was super-cool as I was already down a tire at the time.

Their camps seem to be on par with every other camp I have ever seen...

But I can't actually speak about their planting or organization at all.

[TheHamsterizer]

Avoid this company like the PLAGUE. They are terrible.

[vacationer]

I've heard nothing but bad things about them -- disorganized, no one really in charge, shitty working conditions.

[jess]

i have a really good friend who crew bossed for Western Pacific - an amazing, super-cool individual who worked hard for her crew. However, to this day i can not figure out why she stayed with WP for so long. So many of her stories were of really disorganized situations, bush camps where planters did their own cooking, etc.

[TheHamsterizer]

i have a really good friend who crew bossed for Western Pacific - an amazing, super-cool individual who worked hard for her crew. However, to this day i can not figure out why she stayed with WP for so long. So many of her stories were of really disorganized situations, bush camps where planters did their own cooking, etc.

That's where I worked... Camping, cooking for yourself and fire hours. Getting up at 3:30 to make breakfast in the dark was so surreal it was hilarious. My foreman was the most attractive woman I have ever seen in the bush, that was pretty surreal too. Ever seen a swedish swimsuit model knee deep in mud trying to push a quad? It doesn't really compute.

[Mr. Amazing]

These guys set the bar high, and reach it on a daily basis! Amazing prices, management, and logistical skills! They are the "FedEx"/"Google"/"Wal-Mart" of the planting world! Truly one of the greatest companies in the industry. It would be a ~privilege~ to be offered a position with them! Highly, highly, highly recommended!!!!

[The King of Nowhere]

Okay, who are you Mr. Amazing? Are you some sort of Robot from Jupiter to make everything....for lack of a better word, Amazing?

Only you, Mr. Amazing, could contradict everything these planters have been saying (and what i've heard about WP too) by comparing them to great well-respected companies like Walmart.

Rock on dude.

[Mr. Amazing]

Wal-Mart may have it's critics, but as far as refining "just-in-time" inventory systems, and promoting employee morale, they're the best. Well, they share that bestness with Western Pacific. It's tough being at the top, but West-Pac and Wal-Mart do it well!

[Tupperfan]

Mr. Amazing is amazing!

[backcountrysister]

I made the mistake of joining a crew for a short while between contracts because Scott Wilson worked for my partner some years ago. There was no camp cook- cook for yourself, favoritism & very little skilled help. I ended up getting paid to go to the biggest block to collapse boxes ( cause Scott was busy chasing tail) spent 6 hrs at it. Got my check 2 months later after I threatened to call the labor board and after 4 months I had not received my roe after calling countless times. The company is run by kids with minimum experience and they usually leave after a season or 2. Pay- not much to write about- that was 6 yrs ago? cant say much more because I dont know more than my experience.

[3plantor]

Was just browsing the companies when i was shocked to see West Pac in here among ACTUAL treeplanting companies. West Pac is held under the name of the owner Bahadir Lidder an indian guy but i think it's actually ran by his brother. i worked for them last season 2008 and i had to sign up to this to talk sense into anyone who is thinking of planting for these guys. They're con-men.

They hire immigrants, everyone is either indian or african. Therefore they have no idea what they're gettin into and West Pac utilizes that fact to it's full potential. If you are only skimming this and dont intend to read my entire post then know this above all else... THEY WILL NOT PAY YOU!!!

I think all the previous posts confirm this fact... they were late with all their paychecks, there were always mistakes, it was an absolute bitch trying to fix those mistakes, they never paid me or any of my crew of african guys our final paycheck, they didn't even pay our foreman. We all reported them to Labour Relations until we got some money out of them... not the full amount. So if they aren't shut down this year by Labour Relations then i want you to know that if you go and work for these guys then you're an idiot and you fully deserve all the consequences your idiot decision brings.

The Lidder guy simply pocketed all our cash and skipped town. Never answered his phone again and we never heard from him again until we reported them. It was absolutely disgusting not paying the black guys, they were either immigrant or refugee and some of them didn't even speak english so they needed that money more than anyone and they would never have known any of their rights if i hadn't told them about Labour Relations.

Dave Callan the foreman is just some red neck trucker who's no experience in silviculture. One of the supervisors was morbidly obese... not slightly pudgy or big boned but actually morbidly obese... he's a danger to the shipping industry and he's the guy who's running trees so how many trees do you think we got when he wasn't sitting in the truck ALL fucking day.

Sorry Scooter if this post contravenes the inappropriate site posting rules but it would be a sin if i didn't pass on this information. It's one thing having a few mistakes here and there on your paychecks but you cant go around messing peoples lives up by not paying them anything after they spent all their money getting out to BC and Canada in the first place.

Basically Western Pacific are capable of fucking things up more than bankers and they've ruined more lives than crack cocaine!

[Seabass]

were these guys planting a FFT contract near Quesnel last season?

[3plantor]

Yes they were... everything out of Quesnel. The checkers were cimco and they eventually dropped the contracts they had with West Pac because Dave Callan routinely blew his top when West Pac routinely failed block quality. He never said anything to us, the planters, yet i heard all about his shouting matches at the cimco office. He's a child. I mean it's not hard getting 90 percent quality for every block... which is what was required, but they failed every one.

[Seabass]

If it's the company that I'm thinking of, they were on an FFT contract and were working a block directly behind my piece. They were extremely loud and cattle planting and it looked like they were just slutting them in when I stopped to see what the hell was going on back there. I'm not sure how two of their people ended up at the front of my piece but I had just gone back in after bagging up and two of what I assume was supervisory staff came wandering through with grocery store bags in hand and chatting away in some foreign language I couldn't understand. They asked what company I worked for and why I was there then left when I asked them to get out of my land. It was all rather strange.

[TheHamsterizer]

When I worked for them briefly I met a guy who claimed to be the owner of the company. As it turned out, he was not really the owner but was hired by the real owners to pretend to be the owner. Kind of strange.

[Captain Slashpile]

I went to try and work at red rock pub on the west side....I talked to the owner who said he owned West Pac...Maybe that will help in future...

[Scooter]

This is the strangest thread that I've read in a bit. I like.

[3plantor]

Bahadur Lidder is the indian guy who has West Pac in his name and he owns the RiverRock Pub on the westside. He employs Dave Callan to do all his dirty work in the silviculture industry. The supervisors the previous post were talking about were part of the african crew from senegal and the congo. They speak their own particular dialect. They were good guys only very little experience and no real clue about what they're doin which explains why they were in your piece. They told me the spacing was 7's and 8's so i start planting 2.5 - 3 metres like always but we kept gettin reports back that we were gettin 14's all the time. After the senegal foreman told me i was spacin wrong i got him to take a plot... it was bang on and after a chat i realised that he was tellin the rest of the crew to plant 2.5 - 3 FEET!!! He had no clue.

[Seabass]

Bahadur Lidder is the indian guy who has West Pac in his name and he owns the RiverRock Pub on the westside. He employs Dave Callan to do all his dirty work in the silviculture industry. The supervisors the previous post were talking about were part of the african crew from senegal and the congo. They speak their own particular dialect. They were good guys only very little experience and no real clue about what they're doin which explains why they were in your piece. They told me the spacing was 7's and 8's so i start planting 2.5 - 3 metres like always but we kept gettin reports back that we were gettin 14's all the time. After the senegal foreman told me i was spacin wrong i got him to take a plot... it was bang on and after a chat i realised that he was tellin the rest of the crew to plant 2.5 - 3 FEET!!! He had no clue.

So they were slutting them in like I thought! ha! It all makes much more sense now. The spacing with FFT in that area was definitely 7's and 8's including naturals in the plot. The River Rock has some fairly decent food for those who are in Quesnel and don't mind going a little out of the way for some eats (much easier if you have a vehicle).

[Captain Slashpile]

Its not too hard w/o wheels....cross foot bridge, climb hill. Its on the eastern edge of the "west side". Not like I wanna go there, thats like competition to where I sling grits.

[backcountrysister]

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Job Number: 5507486

Title: Silviculture worker (TREE PLANTING, BRUSHING, SLASHING, FALLING) (NOC: 8422)

Terms of Employment: Seasonal, Part Time leading Full Time, Day

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Location: Quesnel, British Columbia (10 vacancies )
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[kenax]

With the permission of Scooter I just copied updated information from this thread to the Treeplanter’s Database found at http://hardcoretreeplanters.com/ to make it easier to view comments by treeplanters and compare treeplanting companies against one another, in the hopes that they will treat and pay their planters better.

[mwainwright]

When I worked for them briefly I met a guy who claimed to be the owner of the company. As it turned out, he was not really the owner but was hired by the real owners to pretend to be the owner. Kind of strange.

thats awesome. decoy owners. who even thinks of that?

[bryanwright]

worked with them 13 years ago as a rookie, after reading these posts it looks like nothing has changed, don't work for them!

[Pandion]

Are these guys still working? I did my rookie year in 98 with these clowns, after a Celtic foreman dropped me last minute. All the stories are true, unfortunately. Dave Callan should not work in silviculture. He bragged about once planting 900 trees and taught us to back cut all four sides of the tree to close the hole. The entire crew would circle every tree back cutting and the checkers would complain that the trees were too tight. Western Pacific was so bad they made Summit seem like the holy grail of treeplanting.

[jdtesluk]

I've seen no sign of them on the public bids. They are not identified on the list of SAFE certified companies. However, BBK Contracting is still an active SEBASE (certified company).

[jdtesluk]

Responding to this thread reminded me of how I kind of miss The Hamsterizer.