2012 Public Bid Results

mcD · Post by **mcD** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:02 pm

has anybody noticed the absence of Brinkman on all of this bid sheets? what gives?

kingcone · Post by **kingcone** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:04 pm

they are busy low balling the private sector......

Post by **Scooter** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:25 pm

And the trend to be throwing around $100,000 bills continues ...

MOF Prince George, contract PL13TGC003. Number of trees currently unknown. I'll find out and do the math.

1. $0,717,159 - Spectrum
2. $0,818,454 - Coast Range
3. $0,876,079 - Celtic
4. $0,881,898 - Seneca
5. $0,896,535 - Elf
6. $0,955,439 - Folklore
7. $1,235,937 - Apex

I think I heard that this was a little over three million trees, but I might be mistaken. That would put the winning bid around 23 cents, which seems low in light of the last couple winning bids.

However, that might be a realistic figure, unfortunately. I heard lots of rumours today from three different sources, a total of three other bids beside this one. They were allegedly all won in the 22-25 cent range. All around central BC. Some are Select bids, so the results might not end up here.

And for just a week or so, I thought things were finally looking up for the industry.

Post by **Scooter** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:33 pm

Houston, contract PL13TAH001

01. $520,166 - Dynamic
02. $562,116 - Windfirm
03. $576,196 - Next Generation Reforestation
04. $581,754 - Elf
05. $613,203 - Apex
06. $645,323 - Summit
07. $648,792 - Rhino
08. $674,476 - Folklore
09. $681,223 - Seneca
10. $682,694 - Celtic

Again, number of trees is unknown. I'll try to find out tomorrow.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:11 pm

MOF Prince George, contract PL13TGC003. - cents per tree added

2,702,209 trees

1. 26.5 - $0,717,159 - Spectrum
2. 30.3 - $0,818,454 - Coast Range
3. 32.4 - $0,876,079 - Celtic
4. 32.6 - $0,881,898 - Seneca
5. 33.2 - $0,896,535 - Elf
6. 35.3 - $0,955,439 - Folklore
7. 45.7 - $1,235,937 - Apex

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:19 am

At least BCTS Houston the bidding was a little tighter...

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:20 am

Houston, contract PL13TAH001

Approx. 2.3 million trees as per ad on BC Bid

Cents per tree added

01. 22.6 - $520,166 - Dynamic
02. 24.4 - $562,116 - Windfirm
03. 25.1 - $576,196 - Next Generation Reforestation
04. 25.3 - $581,754 - Elf
05. 26.7 - $613,203 - Apex
06. 28.1 - $645,323 - Summit
07. 28.2 - $648,792 - Rhino
08. 29.3 - $674,476 - Folklore
09. 29.6 - $681,223 - Seneca
10. 29.7 - $682,694 - Celtic

Since there's a bid deposit with this one, it's not likely to move up tha line and so Dynamic now has 4.36 million BCTS trees along with their earlier "win" in MacKenzie where they left $105,000 on the table to the 2nd bidder. There didn't appear to be a bid deposit on that job so perhaps they dropped it? Does anyone know if they let that work go to Spectrum who was 2nd? Between these two jobs Dynamic has saved BCTS $147,000 and cost planters over $70,000 in lost wages.

Post by **Scooter** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:12 pm

That number seems right. I got an email today saying 2,310,190.

Spectrum hasn't been on a lot of these bids this year.

Post by **Scooter** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:56 pm

From now on, each season, I'll start the "bid results" thread with a post that links to each of the previous years' threads. I just edited the first post in this topic to do just that, as per the following two links:

2010: http://www.replant.ca/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64666
2011: http://www.replant.ca/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65035

Should make it easier to do comparisons year-over-year.

korno · Post by **korno** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:47 pm

as per brinkman absent from the bcts bid sheets. They are turning down work since they don't have the people to run an extra contracts. Hopefully wages and prices will begin to go up accordingly.

Evergreen · Post by **Evergreen** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:26 pm

BCTS - Quesnel PL13TLE003

1,228,975 trees

Seneca - $315,360 - 25.7 cents
Folklore - $322,663 - 26.2
Celtic - $329,229 - 26.8
Venture - $341,160 - 27.7
NextGen - $348,655 - 28.4
AKD - $377,118 - 30.7
Evergreen - $442,339 - 36.0
Zanzibar - $452,780 - 36.8
Apex - $602,864 - 49.1

This was a pre-qualified group of contractors. There were approx. 15 contractors who pre-qualified to bid. These are all the bids received

Evergreen · Post by **Evergreen** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:32 pm

BCTS - Quesnel
PL13TLH004

819,000 trees - 732K spring, 87K summer

26.0 - $213,067 AKD
28.2 - $231,250 Seneca
30.2 - $246,959 Folklore
31.3 - $256,039 Celtic
31.5 - $258,392 Venture North
35.3 - $289,070 Coast Range
37.7 - $308,954 Zanzibar
40.3 - $329,886 Next Generation
49.5 - $404,359 Apex

Post by **Scooter** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:47 pm

BCTS - Kamloops
PL13TED001

21.9 cents - $220,381 - Coast Range
24.8 cents - $249,507 - Folklore
29.5 cents - $296,858 - AKD
29.5 cents - $297,430 - Seneca
32.4 cents - $326,216 - A&G

I don't have the documents in front of me, but I think this contract was for a total of 1,008,000 trees, plus or minus a couple thousand. This is the first time that I ever went to a bid meeting, which was pretty interesting. Actually, I guess it wasn't that interesting - very similar to the meeting that I'd have (as a supervisor) with the forester at the start of the contract, to review the maps and the details of the contract.

If my memory is correct, the contract was for a base of just over 900k trees, plus 100k overflow that had to be included in the bid price.

plantingscotland · Post by **plantingscotland** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:13 pm

As a guest to this forum from Scotland it's really interesting to see both the prices and debate. The issues here are similar it's hard to see how anybody can make a reasonable margin from winning public bids. The Forestry Commission say they factor in quality/performance in evaluating bids - but that is bollocks!
The best you can hope for is that you do OK, the worst is a serious loss - not a balanced risk/reward scenario, particulrly if you have a sense of responsibility to employees and getting the job done.
There is some statistic that says if you get 10 bids 2 of them will have messed up - one overpricing one under - so hard to see how a well considered bid, factoring in all the risks can ever win.

Post by **Scooter** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:26 pm

I think here, if someone were to win ten bids, about 7 of them would be under-priced right now.

On a positive note though, my gut feeling is that aside from a couple of stupidly low early bids, I think that prices are trending slightly higher right now. Even a few cents makes a difference.

In another two weeks, when most of the bidding is over, I'm going to try to do some analysis on averages, distribution spreads, numbers of bidders, etc. and compare this year's numbers to last year's numbers. I'll be posting those here. I've been to two tender meetings this year, in Kamloops and Merritt, and I've been following the bidding a lot more closely this year than in the past, since I don't have a job back in New Brunswick to worry about going back to. I've learned quite a bit about the process.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:26 pm

It's important to remember that we're only seeing the public bid results and not even all of them. The bid results we'll see via Replant.ca will account for around 30-40 million trees for the interior of B.C. if we get results on most of what's been advertised. There's double that for the spring through private companies and we'll never see what any of that went for. So exactly what we'll learn from tabulating these results isn't clear. Power to you Scooter if you have the time to go back and look at the less complete results that were posted here last year. You can go back and still look at tenders on the BCTS website for 2011 and further back and you'll likely have to do that to make any analysis worthwhile.

Post by **Scooter** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:58 pm

Good point.

And if there are any managers at companies out there that would like to submit some of the results on Select Bids, but don't want to do it themselves, just email them to me at jonathan.scooter.clark@gmail.com and I'll post them here under my own account. I know that there are a few lurkers here who have access to select sheets that would be interesting to add to the mix.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:05 pm

Evergreen wrote:BCTS - Vernon - Spring 2012

North
Trees: 836,140
PL12TKJ042
$$$ Cents

1 Rhino 300300 $0.359
2 Timberline 300606 $0.360
3 Seneca 304197 $0.364
4 Coast Range 304654 $0.364
5 Zanzibar 332619 $0.398
6 Evergreen 332763 $0.398
7 Folklore 357107 $0.427
8 Next Gen 384624 $0.460

I was inspired by Scooter's post in his new Bid Deposits thread to look into this BCTS Vernon bid opening. It turns out that not only did Rhino forget to put in a bid deposit but Timberline and Zanzibar also failed to put in deposits and so they were all disqualified. The contract has been awarded to Coast Range. I'm not sure if it was offered to Seneca but may not have been as they were the low bidder on the Vernon South job so they may not have offered them both. This is the only instance I know of this year where failure to put in a bid deposit was a factor in who was awarded the job.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:14 pm

BCTS Kootenay Lake
861,700 trees
Bid deposit was 10% of bid amount

36.0 - $310,561 Fieldstone
39.0 - $335,729 Evergreen
39.4 - $339,840 Zanzibar
39.6 - $341,080 Akehurst & Giltrap

Post by **Scooter** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:26 pm

It turns out that not only did Rhino forget to put in a bid deposit but Timberline and Zanzibar also failed to put in deposits and so they were all disqualified. The contract has been awarded to Coast Range. I'm not sure if it was offered to Seneca but may not have been as they were the low bidder on the Vernon South job so they may not have offered them both. This is the only instance I know of this year where failure to put in a bid deposit was a factor in who was awarded the job.

Good find!

Post by **Scooter** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:44 pm

BCTS Merritt, Contract xx001
I think this was just barely over 1.2 million trees.

And Coast Range continues to sweep the area. Perhaps trying for a repeat of last year.

26.9 cents - $322,539.59 - Coast Range
27.0 cents - $323,818.83 - Dewan
30.5 cents - $366,314.77 - AKD
31.5 cents - $377,821.97 - Folklore
35.1 cents - $421,236.93 - Evergreen
35.7 cents - $427,894.04 - Zanzibar
37.5 cents - $450,475.00 - Raven Ventures
37.7 cents - $452,293.44 - Celtic
38.1 cents - $457,056.32 - A&G
38.8 cents - $465,121.27 - Leader
44.3 cents - $531,163.20 - Brinkman

I think Folklore came lowest on the Quesnel 005 job today, although I don't have numbers for that yet.

Evergreen · Post by **Evergreen** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:08 pm

BCTS Quesnel
PL13TLE005
1,640,000 bid but approx. 1,166,000 will actually be planted

25.3 - $415,678 Folklore
26.8 - $438,853 Seneca
27.7 - $454,499 Venture North
29.5 - $483,574 Next Generation
29.8 - $488,201 AKD
31.9 - $523,239 Blue Collar
34.6 - $567,288 Celtic
37.8 - $620,717 Zanzibar
51.1 - $838,000 Apex

Nate · Post by **Nate** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:30 pm

Why do companies, like Apex above, put in bids like that? Just a hail mary in case everyone else dropped out, lack of knowledge of the area/didn't view, or something more strategic?

Post by **Scooter** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:44 pm

Exactly. Maybe everyone else will drop out.

Or there is another option ... look at the area, look at the map package that's online, look at historical results and current-year trends, and figure out a price that will put you in the upper range. That way, they can "view" a contract without actually driving out to any of the blocks, and without having to spend a penny on salaries or fuel or motels or living-out allowances for food. Saves them a bit of money, and maybe by some fluke they'll eventually get a bid. That especially makes sense in a year like this when volumes are expanding by 20%.

Also, this was a select bid, which means it wasn't posted on the BCTS website, and was only emailed to certain companies. If you put in a bid, you're eligible to find out what the results were. So for a company that wants to know what other companies are bidding on jobs, you can throw in a high bid just to get the information. Otherwise, you might not see the results of some of the select bids.

I only understand this roughly, in theory, but let me try to make up an example. Let's say that there are about eight bids in the Kamloops/Merritt/Princeton area and Coast Range (random example) seems to be bidding on them aggressively. Let's say that your company goes to a meeting in Dawson Creek where just three companies show up at the tender meeting, which means only the three of you are eligible to put in bids. Say it's your company, Coast Range, and NGR. Now if you're paying close attention to the results coming out all over the province and for the first four bids, Coast Range continues to pursue Kamloops area bids aggressively & wins several, then suddenly a few days after the Dawson Creek meeting (and before you have to put the bids in), the results come out from the fifth bid in the Kamloops area and Coast Range doesn't appear on the bid sheet. You can assume that MAYBE Coast Range has gotten enough trees by this point, and won't be bidding on the Dawson Creek job after all, which means you only have to think about how NGR would price their bid.

I doubt it gets that complex in theory, but I would assume that companies do sometimes throw high bids into an area just for the sake of access to information.

For this particular example, maybe Apex is already "full" for their planned number of camps, and thinks, "Well, we COULD put together another camp if we had to, but it would be annoying, so let's bid high enough that if we actually got the work, it would be worthwhile to put together that extra camp."

kootenaywrx · Post by **kootenaywrx** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:33 pm

Coaster wrote:BCTS Kootenay Lake
861,700 trees
Bid deposit was 10% of bid amount

36.0 - $310,561 Fieldstone
39.0 - $335,729 Evergreen
39.4 - $339,840 Zanzibar
39.6 - $341,080 Akehurst & Giltrap

Looks a bit tight for the area?

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:55 am

kootenaywrx wrote:

"Looks a bit tight for the area?"

This one's near and dear as it's my home turf.

Fieldstone's bid is slightly higher than what Evergreen did it for in 2011. But looking at the grouping of the three higher bids, you'd have to think that 39 cents is what it should have gone for. Judging from bids we've seen here already, I'd say they were all very keen for this job. I haven't seen Evergreen or Zanzibar score any public work but then who knows what private jobs they've got?

Both Fieldstone and Evergreen are based in the area so that's probably not a factor between them.

Comparing 2011 to 2012 bids shows some inconsistencies. A&G bid 1.4 cents higher than last year, Evergreen 4.6 cents higher, Fieldstone 4.3 cents lower, Zanzibar didn't bid last year. I'd guess from this that Fieldstone is in an expansionary phase and is sacrificing price for volume or perhaps they didn't have a good look at the blocks. Why would the contractor who did the work last year bid 13% higher while the new "winner" bid 11% lower.

Post by **Scooter** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:39 pm

MOF Kamloops
Contract number unknown. Number of trees unknown.

$350,518.10 Evergreen
$369,791.08 A&G
$411,891.84 Folklore
$477,902.95 Celtic

I forgot to ask how many trees were on this contract. It wasn't a lot - this was a lot of tricky, smaller blocks with multi-species mixes and challenging specs. Evergreen should do well here though.

mcD · Post by **mcD** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:06 pm

On the kootenay lake job, I think last year evergreen was feeling like they really needed to get some work. they probably took it for less than they would have liked, if memory serves there was about $32,000 left on the table. this year there were several large blocks out there that were signifigantly morer difficult than anything last year. As for who is local, Fieldstone was local when Dennis was the owner, but I am not so sure about now. While A&G is not actually local, about half our managers are.

retrovertigo · Post by **retrovertigo** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:26 pm

I was under the impression that Fieldstone was Vancouver / Lower Mainland based now with the change in ownership, but that's just what I heard through the grapevine (they were in Powell River at the same time as us in the Spring). Could be a case similar to A&G though, if they retained a lot of their staff likely a lot of them are Kootenay/Okanagan based.

IanMatthews · Post by **IanMatthews** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:45 am

No much has changed in this regard. Did you see Coast Range's price in Merritt this week? It looked like an uncomfortable "win" for them.

jamisnewsham · Post by **jamisnewsham** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:12 pm

And There is DEWAN....
what are they dewan...

Pandion · Post by **Pandion** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:22 pm

No much has changed in this regard. Did you see Coast Range's price in Merritt this week? It looked like an uncomfortable "win" for them.

I viewed those blocks and it will be a complete $%^& show at those prices unless BCTS lets them slam away without enforcing specs. Wouldn't be the first time that happened though.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:42 pm

BCTS - East Kootenays
PL113TFH001
Guessing at 1,100,000 trees

38.8 - $422,038 Next Generation
41.7 - $458,173 Zanzibar
42.8 - $471,157 Brinkman
43.1 - $473,687 Coast Range

BCTS - Boundary
PL13TFF001
1,600,000

38.7 - $616,779 Evergreen
42.8 - $681,693 Akehurst & Giltrap
43.0 - $684,527 Fieldstone

Where did all the bidders go?

Chocolatej · Post by **Chocolatej** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:55 pm

Question :

Would bigger companies, who win multiple contracts with low bids, but also manage decent winning bids as well as have direct award contracts spread the wealth throughout the company? Would they ever take a cent or two from a good contract to make up for a low bid? Or do funds bid on a contract generally stay in that area.

Post by **Scooter** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:45 pm

Yes, they would spread money around to even things out.
Some would, anyway. I don't know if all would.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:35 pm

BCTS Merritt
PL13TEF002
802,557 trees

26.8 - $215,700 Coast Strange
32.7 - $262,549 What's Dewan
34.9 - $280,382 Akehurst & Giltrap
35.7 - $286,648 Zanzibar
37.3 - $299,392 Raven
37.6 - $301,853 Evergreen
39.4 - $316,549 Celtic
40.5 - $325,436 Folklore

Post by **Scooter** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:30 am

There is more to this one. That Evergreen bid is the final bid after an upwards revision from the original bid of an extra $35,312.00. The same concept applied to the Folklore bid, raised from an original bid upward by $33,869.71 to the amount showing in Coaster's post.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:24 am

Upwards revisions would tend to mean one of two things. You've made a mistake or things have changed in the market since you put your bid in. Both Evergreen and Folklore scored large contracts just days before the Merritt bid opened. Since you can't fax or email government bids, their Merritt bids were probably already in the mail when they were awarded the other contracts. You can fax in revisions. Whether this means those two are filled up or simply raising their expectations to add one last peachy job is anyone's guess.

We are nearing the end of the interior tender opening season. There are only a handfull of contracts left to open. Given what I've been seeing, I expect Coast Range to lowball them all. They seem to have an unending appetite for low bid contracts. I do not envy them being in Merritt next spring with those nasty low bid jobs they've just acquired. Unless they find somewhere to camp well away from the rest of the many planters who will be in Merritt this coming spring, they will undoubtedly lose lots of people to other contractors - or at least I hope so. That is the way it needs to go for us to police the lowballers.

If there are any contractors following this thread and you happen to be in Merritt this spring and need some planters, just find out where Coast Range is and send someone over. There should be a willing crowd waiting to defect. I had some hope that Coast Strange had turned over a new leaf but it appears they're up to their old tricks. They've been a pariah in the industry for many years.

Post by **Scooter** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:37 am

I can't officially comment on what I know of Folklore's bidding strategies, but my GUESS for what happened at Evergreen is this:

There were three bids due in Kamloops this week. Merritt 001 (open tender) was due on Tuesday afternoon. MOF Kamloops (might have been a select job) was due on Wednesday. Merritt 002 (open tender) was due on Friday afternoon.

I'm guessing that Evergreen would have sent all three bids in together. Makes sense, since they were going to the same office. Drop them off in person as a group, or put them in the same Purolator envelope to save a few dollars. I happened to be in Kamloops at the start of the week, so I did the same thing with Folklore's bids, handing them in as a group.

Merritt 001 opened on Tuesday. Nothing out of the ordinary. Coast Range had the low bid.

MOF Kamloops opened on Wednesday afternoon. Evergreen won the job. It looks like it will be decent, and is definitely a keeper. Evergreen now has a full slate of trees for 2012.

The bid for Merritt 002 was already at BCTS at this point. Rather than pull the bid entirely, why not revise it upward? Pulling it might make BCTS think you aren't as interested in future work, and might keep you off the invitation list for future Select Tenders. And you probably COULD pull together the extra resources to do another job if you had to. Revising the tender takes about three minutes, and maybe you'll win a job at a much better profit margin than you had expected. Chances aren't high, but it doesn't really matter - you're no longer hoping to get the job, and it doesn't matter if your bid is high. So at this point I assume that Evergreen sent a FAX to BCTS and asked them to revise the Merritt 002 bid upward by $35,000.

Of course, this is purely speculation. But many planting contractors are now full. The few bids that are still out there will see far fewer entrants, and a few companies might stand a chance at getting a pretty high bid. It's like the comments about coastal bidding earlier this fall, where the people who bid aggressively at the start got the work they wanted, but the ones who took their time got better prices later in the bidding.

Pandion · Post by **Pandion** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:59 am

The second BCTS contract in Merritt has a significant amount of fill trees in both Lillooet and Princeton that were described by the forester as being quite nasty (steep, with long drives and 1 block was even brushed this year in order to be planted in the Spring) There is another set of blocks accounting for about 140k that was logged 4 years ago and has grass mat that is thick and breast height. I think there will be some creative accounting going on to ensure that CR's rookies are making minimum wage. This is a shameful bid, but exactly what you would expect from this outfit given their reputation.

Post by **Scooter** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:20 pm

The fill plant trees up in Lilloet only add up to a total of 20,000 trees on three blocks. Definitely a long drive, but you could send a good six-pack up there and tell them to grab a motel and come back to camp when they’re done. Pay them for the drives, and pay well for the trees, and they’d love it.

Also, it’s interesting to see that several companies put bids in that were very similar on each job, when broken down by the tree:

Coast Range: 26.9 on 001, and 26.8 on 002.
Zanzibar: 35.7 on 001, same thing on 002.
Raven: 37.5 on 001, 37.3 on 002.
Evergreen’s bids were similar before the last-minute revision on 002.

Lots of mounds and some trenching on this one too, to balance out the few harder blocks.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:32 pm

Pandion wrote:The second BCTS contract in Merritt has a significant amount of fill trees in both Lillooet and Princeton that were described by the forester as being quite nasty (steep, with long drives and 1 block was even brushed this year in order to be planted in the Spring) There is another set of blocks accounting for about 140k that was logged 4 years ago and has grass mat that is thick and breast height. I think there will be some creative accounting going on to ensure that CR's rookies are making minimum wage. This is a shameful bid, but exactly what you would expect from this outfit given their reputation.

A shameful bid it is but right in line with Coast Range's other "successful" bids. Take this one for example

BCTS - Kamloops
PL13TED001

21.9 cents - $220,381 - Coast Range
24.8 cents - $249,507 - Folklore
29.5 cents - $296,858 - AKD
29.5 cents - $297,430 - Seneca
32.4 cents - $326,216 - A&G

Unbelievable that they would hope to get away with this kind of stuff in a year when planters will be in short supply. I suppose they expect to just hire unwitting rookies and take advantage of them.

Nasitra · Post by **Nasitra** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:15 pm

Does Coast Range have any relationship based contracts? I'd find it challenging to manage a business model based exclusively on government bid contracts.

N.

bush · Post by **bush** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:27 am

Unbelievable that they would hope to get away with this kind of stuff in a year when planters will be in short supply. I suppose they expect to just hire unwitting rookies and take advantage of them.[/quote]

they can try and attract planter's from ontario.

dreamofcream · Post by **dreamofcream** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:52 am

Nasitra wrote:Does Coast Range have any relationship based contracts? I'd find it challenging to manage a business model based exclusively on government bid contracts.

N.

They failed to complete a job last year in the Okanagan and were forced to give the remaining trees to another contractor for a greater price. It turns out 12c isnt a fair price for southern interior stump planting...who knew

Post by **Scooter** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:59 am

They failed to complete a job last year in the Okanagan and were forced to give the remaining trees to another contractor for a greater price.

That was someone else's job, right? A Blue Collar contract? So that doesn't disqualify them from bidding on other BCTS work, I assume.

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:15 pm

I'm wondering if anyone has information or the bid results for the following three BCTS jobs that opened back on November 1st. I can't find results anywhere.

PL13TJFOO2 Vanderhoof 1,762,000 trees
PL13TJF003 Vanderhoof 2,063,000 trees
PL13TJF004 Fort St. James 368,000 trees

Other bids I can't find results for are MOFL contracts.

FFT13DOS001 Vernon 253,800 summer trees Opened October 27
PL13DCS003 Merritt 551,170 trees November 3
PL13DQU001 Quesnel 1,130,000 trees November 17

kootenaywrx · Post by **kootenaywrx** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:51 am

Coaster wrote:
Pandion wrote:The second BCTS contract in Merritt has a significant amount of fill trees in both Lillooet and Princeton that were described by the forester as being quite nasty (steep, with long drives and 1 block was even brushed this year in order to be planted in the Spring) There is another set of blocks accounting for about 140k that was logged 4 years ago and has grass mat that is thick and breast height. I think there will be some creative accounting going on to ensure that CR's rookies are making minimum wage. This is a shameful bid, but exactly what you would expect from this outfit given their reputation.
A shameful bid it is but right in line with Coast Range's other "successful" bids. Take this one for example

BCTS - Kamloops
PL13TED001

21.9 cents - $220,381 - Coast Range
24.8 cents - $249,507 - Folklore
29.5 cents - $296,858 - AKD
29.5 cents - $297,430 - Seneca
32.4 cents - $326,216 - A&G

Unbelievable that they would hope to get away with this kind of stuff in a year when planters will be in short supply. I suppose they expect to just hire unwitting rookies and take advantage of them.

Ha , I bet coast range doesnt know that trees cant be bagged from tarps or ground . Yes Bagging from fists only. If its quad access then only bagging from quad. Kamloops specs.

Post by **Scooter** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:13 pm

Kamloops, contract PL13TED002, approximately 1.1m trees, approximately 90% treated.

28.5 - $313,426.32 - Folklore
31.0 - $341,374.00 - Seneca
32.9 - $362,084.40 - Celtic

Coaster · Post by **Coaster** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:48 am

BCTS - Arrow
PL13TFG001
1.3 million trees

40.9 - $532,371 Next Generation
41.0 - $532,888 Timberline
43.0 - $558,451 Evergreen
45.6 - $592,339 Greenpeaks
51.1 - $664,110 Fieldstone

That is as close as it gets! Strangely enough all of these companies are based in the area except for Next Generation. This job includes challenging ground, multiple locations, tough checking and ship and store your own trees.