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This is an interesting article from the United States. Makes a lot of sense to me. As a supervisor, it would be an incredible pain in the ass, but this comment in the story is a good one: "No call, no text, no update, is worth a human life."


Source: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/ ... -bluetooth
By NBC News' Tom Costello and msnbc.com's Alex Johnson
Updated at 1:45 p.m. ET:

The government's transportation safety experts recommended Tuesday to ban all American drivers from using portable electronic devices — including cell phones, even if you use a hands-free device.

The recommendation, which isn't binding but which is likely to influence the decisions of Congress and state legislatures in writing new safety laws, makes only two exceptions: You could still use GPS navigation devices, and you could use your cell phone in an emergency.

Besides calling for government action, the NTSB also urged consumer electronics manufacturers to figure out a way to "disable the functions of portable electronic devices within reach of the driver when a vehicle is in motion" while at the same time allowing the driver to make a call in an emergency.

Spokesmen for the Consumer Electronics Association and CTIA—The Wireless Association did not immediately return calls for comment on whether such a device is possible.

"No call, no text, no update, is worth a human life," Deborah Hersman, chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board, said at a news conference in Washington.

Safety advocates have long called for such a ban to reduce the phenomenon of distracted driving, which the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says killed 3,092 people in 2010.

The HTSA reported last week that about 20 percent of all drivers and 50 percent of drivers 21 to 24 years old admit to having texted while driving. Overall, more than three-quarters of drivers say they are willing to answer calls on all, most or some trips.

"People continue to make bad decisions about driving distracted — but what's clear from all of the information we have is that driver distraction continues to be a major problem," NHTSA Administrator David Strickland said last week in reporting the numbers.

But similar studies linking cellphone use to poor driving have been challenged, most recently by researchers at Wayne State University in Detroit, who concluded last month that some earlier studies were seriously flawed.

The report, published in the journal Epidemiology, examined to earlier studies that examined crashes in which cellphone records showed that the driver had used a cellphone. Those studies "likely overestimated the relative risk for cell phone conversations," the researchers said, because they improperly assumed that the drivers were actually in motion when they were on the phone — in other words, they didn't factor in such so-called part-time driving.

Only 10 states ban handheld devices right now, and 35 ban texting while driving.

The recommendation comes following the NTSB's investigation of an August 2010 accident in Gray's Summit, Mo., involving a pickup truck, two school buses and several other vehicles.

The accident was blamed on the 19-year-old driver of the pickup, who sent or received 11 texts in the 11 minutes before the pileup, which killed two people and injured 38 others.

"That finding raises a red flag to all of us on the highways," Hersman said.

The NTSB recommendation wouldn't cover GPS devices, but — if it eventually becomes law — it would ban using your phone for any reason, even with a Bluetooth headset or speakers. The only exception would be to call 911 in an emergency.
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There is a hands free law here in NB on cellphones and GPS. But it's not enforced. I've witnessed a cop looking over at another vehicle pulled up to the stop lights and see a phone in use by the driver and do diddly squat. The driver was a mom with 2 kids as passengers. Laws are worthless in NB as many are never enforced.
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As a supervisor, it would be an incredible pain in the ass,
Well, you already stop, now you'd just have to do lots of buckle/unbuckle and hop out sort of stuff.
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Scooter wrote:This is an interesting article from the United States. Makes a lot of sense to me. As a supervisor, it would be an incredible pain in the ass, but this comment in the story is a good one: "No call, no text, no update, is worth a human life."
Isn't there already a provision for this, i-e driving with undue care? A complete ban will very likely reduce fatalities but I don't think it's a viable long term solution. Kinda like patching a few potholes on a road.

Do logging truck drivers endanger their lives when they call their location on the road? What about all the chatting that goes on between truckers on highways or the truck delivery guys? If there is no preponderance of evidence that the use of communication devices from these drivers leads to more accidents then shouldn't we draw a different conclusion? Perhaps that our driving standards are so low that we allow unskilled drivers on the roads?

In BC you can get a driver's license without ever having to experience a slide in a vehicle; and many licensed drivers absolutely would freak out if they were ever to hit a patch of ice on the road. While I will concur that the banning of ice patches on our roads is a more complicated matter, my point is that we allow people to drive very dangerous objects with extremely limited skills. And therein lies the root of our problem.

It's all about brain space. If a person performs an activity and this action occupies 100% of his/her brain space then there is no room left to do anything else adequately. Yet we allow people to drive with absolutely no brain space left to deal with any type of distraction or emergency situation, be it talking on your hands free device, dealing with screaming kids in the back seat or hitting the dreaded patch of black ice.

Maybe we should think outside the box a little more. Perhaps pass a driving test and performing safely, be it talking on your hands free, changing radio stations or slapping the kids. We already have restrictions in place such as wearing corrective lenses or being allowed to drive in daylight only. Cell phone use could be one of them.

Communication devices are playing in increasingly huge role in our lives and are here to stay. Maybe we should take pro active measures to integrate its use safely instead of going for an outright ban. Just my 2 cents.

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The problem lies in the fact that if we were left to natural selection and not suppose to have intelligence then the idiots would not need governments to weed out the lesser of the species. ;D
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I'm working for Clean Harbours and they have a strict no phone policy while driving. Perhaps this will be a new trend.
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Clean Harbours
What is this company? Is it this one: http://www.cleanharbors.com/

That makes sense ... cell phone use is pretty much banned throughout the oil patch, from what I understand. Some companies don't even let you carry a cell phone in your truck, regardless of whether or not you're using it at the time.

I don't know if that's mainly due to:
1. Distracted Driving problems;
2. Increasing productivity, so employees aren't playing on their smart phones at work;
3. Avoiding potential explosive situations at explosive gas sites (spark from cell phone);
4. Controlling competitive intelligence, ie. keeping phones out of the well and industrial sites, so photos of company technology doesn't end up online.

Probably a combination of all four of these, plus more.
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Scooter wrote:
Clean Harbours
What is this company? Is it this one: http://www.cleanharbors.com/

That makes sense ... cell phone use is pretty much banned throughout the oil patch, from what I understand. Some companies don't even let you carry a cell phone in your truck, regardless of whether or not you're using it at the time.

I don't know if that's mainly due to:
1. Distracted Driving problems;
2. Increasing productivity, so employees aren't playing on their smart phones at work;
3. Avoiding potential explosive situations at explosive gas sites (spark from cell phone);
4. Controlling competitive intelligence, ie. keeping phones out of the well and industrial sites, so photos of company technology doesn't end up online.

Probably a combination of all four of these, plus more.
Yeah CleanHarbour has a big operation up in Fort McMurray. Every oil sands site that I was on had a complete ban on personal cell phones. Company cell phones were allowed for supervision, management and individual contractors etc. Heavy Equipment Operators are not allowed to have cell phones of any kind, even if they are off and in your bag. You also need camera passes and permission to take any kind of photographs or video.

As you mentioned reasons include distracted driving etc. The big oil players also dont want pictures of safety incidents being photographed. Believe it or not they are more common than you think and the big corporations dont like admitting that they are at fault. You rarely hear anything in the news because they do their damndest to keep a lid on it.
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You don't think it has a little something to do with preventing pictures of leaks and dead flocks of birds from getting out do you?
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jdtesluk wrote:You don't think it has a little something to do with preventing pictures of leaks and dead flocks of birds from getting out do you?
Oh for sure.

Edit: although leaks is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to oil sands because the oil has been in the ground, near the surface, for thousands of years. Also when you hear of First Nations people in Fort Chipewyan (downstream Athabasca) complaining that their fish are dying and they are getting more cancer because of oil sands development I'm a little a little skeptical because again, bitumen has lined the banks of and dissolved into the athabasca since before they were even around. Might have something to do with the fact that there are a bunch of decommisioned uranium mines around Fort Chip? http://www.reddeeradvocate.com/opinion/ ... 11378.html
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Here's a video posted by the BC Forest Safety Council, based on a presentation for "Drop It And Drive" at this year's Northern BC Safety Conference.

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I figure the vehicle manufacturers will solve this one, somewhat, by deepening the integrating your 'phone' into the car software ecosystem, with everything run off voice recognition, your messages read to you, etc. - and GPS results on a display integrated into the windshield

of course you will still be able to put too much thought into those messages, etc., and not enough into piloting the vehicle, and kill yourself or someone else even while communicating with the outside world "hands free"
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Yeah, and even if they start doing that in three years, it'll take 12 more years with turnover before 70% of the population has the newer systems.

I have three vehicles. A 2005 pickup that has less than 130,000 kms, and a 2003 Toyota Echo that only has about 120,000 kms. I would imagine that I'll keep each of them for another ten years. I don't put a lot of mileage on either in any given year, even though I usually drive at least 60,000 kms on my work truck each year.
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One more reason to "drop it and drive" ...

http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/car-cra ... ash-639205
A Detroit man who died early Sunday in a one-car crash was pantsless and masturbating while watching a pornographic movie on his cell phone, according to police who investigated the accident.

The rollover crash occurred around 3:40 AM as motorist Clifford Ray Jones, 58, was driving a 1996 Toyota on a freeway near Interstate 75.

Michigan State Police officials report that Jones became "distracted" while watching the film and lost control of the car, which overturned. Jones, who was not wearing a seat belt, was partially ejected through the car’s sun roof and died on the scene,

Accident investigators discovered that Jones, who was alone in the Toyota, was not wearing pants at the time of the crash.
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